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Yes alfred stiff in 1955

FMP have not transcribed William snr in 1939 - DOB 8/8/1893

So are we thinking elizabeth ferrel(nee) gunton is the same eluzabeth as my wifes great grandmother eluzabeth stirling (nee) gunton. I cant find a marriage between a william stirling and elizabeth gunton or an elizabeth ferrel

There isn't one - at least not in the UK

BTW, this is the only birth I can find which matches the DOB on the 1939 register - unless, of course, he was born in Scotland

Name: William Stirling
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1893
Registration district: Belfast
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 1
Page: 313
FHL Film Number: 101064
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I believe there were a few born in 1893 in scotland

Name: William Stirling
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
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County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 133 Jervis Road, Portsmouth
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Apprentice Engine Fitter
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: North End and Buckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 395
Piece: 5518

Too old. You must take into account the date of the census

And the man's occupation in 1939 was Builder's general labourer. One would expect a skilled tradesman to continue in the trade

Unfortunately, as there doesn't appear to have been a marriage, you have no way of determining who William's father was

So are we saying its possible that elizabeth left andrew ferrol for william stirling and just took his name and never married him. I found someone on genes reunited who has a william stirling ferrol born 1923 in hexham on their family tree

Just to add william stirling 1893, on his death certificate he was employed at the B.O.A.C which was an airport in whitchurch bristol doing mechanical work.

All things are possible....................

Try getting in touch with the other member.

BTW, that birth was posted on page one of this thread!

Can anyone find elizabeth gunton on earlier census returns than the 1911 census where she was known as elizabeth ferrol

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Laidlaws Court, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Benjamin Gunton Head Married Male 54 1837 - Shoemaker
Ellen Gunton Wife Married Female 46 1845 Africa -
Louisa Gunton Daughter In Law Married Female 23 1868 Africa -
Mary A Gunton Daughter Single Female 20 1871 - -
Ellen Gunton Daughter Single Female 17 1874 - -
Dinah Gunton Daughter - Female 12 1879 Northumberland, England -
Lizzie Gunton Daughter - Female 9 1882 Durham, England -
Benjamin Gunton Son - Male 4 1887 - -
Harry Gunton Son - Male 2 1889 Durham, England -

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Gunton
Gender Female
Birth year 1881
Birth place -
Baptism year 1883
Baptism date 04 May 1883
Place Newcastle on Tyne
County Northumberland
Country England
Father's first name(s) Benjamin
Father's last name Gunton
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Birthplace on the image for the 1891 census for Benjamin and daughter Mary is Yarmouth.

So looks like Ellen's maiden name is Williams

GUNTON, MARY ANN WILLIAMS Order
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in YARMOUTH NORFOLK Volume 04B Page 20

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hill Top, Collierley, Lanchester, Durham, England

Benjamin Gunton Head Married Male 36 1845 Walton, Norfolk, England Boot & Shoe Maker
Ellen Gunton Wife Married Female 30 1851 South Africa -
Laura Gunton Daughter Single Female 12 1869 South Africa Scholar
Mary Ann Gunton Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Walton, Norfolk, England Scholar
Ellen Gunton Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Walton, Norfolk, England Scholar
Henry Gunton Son Single Male 5 1876 West Pelton, Durham, England -
Dinah Gunton Daughter Single Female 2 1879 West Pelton, Durham, England -

Not seeing a marriage for Benjamin and Ellen

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Row, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England

Benjamin Gunton Head - Male 27 1844 - Norfolk, England
Ellen Gunton Wife - Female 28 1843 - South Africa
Susan Gunton Daughter - Female 2 1869 - South Africa

"Lizzie" is boarding in 1901 but here's her father with a different wife. And a different birthplace!

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Simpson Terrace, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Benjamin Gunton Head Married Male 56 1845 Warwick, Warwickshire, England Cordwainer
Minnie Gunton Wife Married Female 49 1852 Manchester, Lancashire, England -
Benjamin Gunton Son Single Male 13 1888 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England -
John Ferhos Boarder Single Male 21 1880 London, Middlesex, England Labourer
Berty Ferhos Boarder Single Male 11 1890 Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England -
James Sandwell Lodger Single Male 28 1873 Brighton, Sussex, England Clerk (Commercial)
John McKay Lodger Single Male 25 1876 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland Tailor

GUNTON, DIANA WILLIAMS Order
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 155 Order
GUNTON, ELIZABETH WILLIAMS Order
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 282

Got to go out now but will come back later with more details of this if no-one else does.

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Series HO140
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace For The Year 1914
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Gunton
Year 1914
Birth year 1845
Occupation Shoemaker
County Durham
Place -
Court Durham
Age 69
Date 05 Jan 1914
Victim's first name(s) William
Victim's last name Richardson
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison Registers
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Previous convictions 4 times since 1894 for being drunk & fighting
20 Jun 1904 - 1 month & 3 months consecutively for aggravated assault & cruelty to children (Newcastle police court)
1 Feb 1907 - 1 month for theft of 3 pairs of boots (Newcastle P ct)
11 Jun 1907 - 6, 3 & 3 months consecutively for theft of boots, (twice) & weights & scales (Newcastle P Ct)

Entry relates to breaking & entering shop of Mr William Richardson at Tanfield. Theft of leather purses, belts, dog collars, football cases.
Examining magistrate from Consett. Bound over on his own recognisance of £10 to be of good behaviour