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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2018 08:05

So, he died in Brentwood as opposed to being born there.

The only way to PROVE anything is to purchase copy certificates

Ru

Ru Report 2 Aug 2018 08:17

Yes, it is important to purchase certificates. This is the only way to prove a relationship within a family. It certainly saves time in researching although seems costly, it is the only way to go.
Good luck
Ru

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 2 Aug 2018 08:18

The tree on Ancestry suggests sometime after his second marriage in 1961 to Queenie Mabel Kitchin (sister of Alice), he travelled to Australia. They give this as his grave:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/177460506

And this as his birth:

Name Joseph W Mason
Registration Date 1918
Registration district Darlington
Inferred County Durham
Re-registration Year 1918
Mother's Maiden Name Grainger
Volume Number 10a
Page number 20
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Looking at the births of 2 of the children - they were registered with both Mason and Kitchin surname, indicating they could be children of Queenie and Joseph before their marriage.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 2 Aug 2018 08:50



1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Mason Household (2 People)
3 Hermon Place , Chester-le-Street U.D., Durham, England

Clement Mason
DOB 20 Dec 1873
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Miner (Retired)
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 3
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Dorothy A Mason
DOB 05 Apr 1874
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 3
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2
Ref: RG101/2761B/002/10 Letter Code:
© Findmypast Ltd

Stephen

Stephen Report 2 Aug 2018 09:03

Thanks for the extra info now to do some reading many thanks
Jill

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 2 Aug 2018 09:24

You indicated you know the name of his children. If that's the case then it should fairly easy to tell if your Joseph was the man born in 1918 and died in Australia.

Stephen

Stephen Report 2 Aug 2018 09:55

Yes he did marry twice and yes to Queenie.
Jill

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 2 Aug 2018 10:12

I think you need to buy those marriage certificates to see who he names as his father. If it was the same man who married both Alice and Queenie, it is possible that he knocked a few years off his age as he was almost 20 years older than Queenie.

What happened to Alice?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2018 10:22

Alice was born in 1925 - Queenie in 1932

Their parents


Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)
Holt Alice E P Kitchin Woolwich 1d 2267
Kitchin Cyril H Holt Woolwich 1d 2267

They had nine children in total

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2018 10:24

Kitchin Household (1 Person)
165 Westmoor Street , Greenwich, London, England


Cyril H Kitchin 03 Dec 1897 Male H E R J J Woolwich Arsine (Heavy Worker) Married 103 1

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 2 Aug 2018 10:43

Ah! They had divorced and Alice remarried.

Marriages Jun 1955
JOHNSON Charles H KITCHIN Woolwich 5d 1695
JOHNSON Charles H MASON Woolwich 5d 1695
KITCHIN Alice R JOHNSON Woolwich 5d 1695
MASON Alice R JOHNSON Woolwich 5d 1695

Stephen

Stephen Report 2 Aug 2018 11:18

Big thank you for the info and yes i think i will splash out and get the birth and marriage certificates many thanks.
Jill

Stephen

Stephen Report 2 Aug 2018 11:24

I have Joseph Wright Masons mothers maiden name as Wright not Grainger. So maybe I have the wrong family
Jill

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 2 Aug 2018 12:02

I wouldn't get the birth certificate until you see the marriage certificate as that should point you, hopefully, in the right direction for the birth certificate. No point spending more than you need to. :-)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2018 15:53

Moore Household (13 People)
Haddocks Farm Myton-On-Swale, Hlperby, York , Easingwold R.D., Yorkshire (North Riding), England


Arthur R Mason 03 Jun 1891 Male Unpaid Domestic Duties Farmers Wife Married 44 2
Hubert Moore 31 Oct 1889 Male Farmer Own Account Married 44

Ignore the above, which is gibberish
FMP have made a complete hash of the transcription of this record, which ACTUALLY says

Arthur R Mason, 31 Oct 1889 Male Married Farmer Own Account
Olive M Mason Jun 1891 Female Married Unpaid Domestic Duties
Olive Mason (Wilkinson) Sep 1916 Single Assisting Father - unpaid
One closed record, which will be Joseph

These are the parents and sister of Joseph W born 1918

and here is their marriage

Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
Grainger Olive M Mason Thirsk 9d 813
Mason Arthur R Grainger Thirsk 9d 813


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2018 15:59

Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Mason Olive Wilkinson Bulmer 9d 1177
Wilkinson Richard Mason Bulmer 9d 1177

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2018 16:00

First wife's death


Name Alice Rita Johnson
Register Type Cremation
Death Date 4 May 2008
Burial or Cremation Date 28 May 2008
Burial or Cremation Place Greenwich, London, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2018 16:05

Giving us all the info at your disposal would have made the search easier.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 2 Aug 2018 18:32

I'm not certain on that Arthur Mason/ Olive Grainger marriage- there are several possible Mason/ Grainger marriages.

ErikaH how do you know those are the correct parents for the Joseph W Mason born 1918 Durham?

Dea

Dea Report 2 Aug 2018 19:36

I had been following this one - Walter Wright Mason m Mary Ann Grainger - they 'did' have a Joseph Wright Mason but he was probably the one born in 1918:


Name Joseph W Mason
Registration Date 1918
Registration district Darlington
Inferred County Durham
Re-registration Year 1918
Mother's Maiden Name Grainger
Volume Number 10a
Page number 20
Household Members
Name Age
Joseph W Mason




Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
ALLINSON Joseph William Bedale 9d 957 Scan available - click to view
Grainger Mary Ann Bedale 9d 957 Scan available - click to view
MARWOOD Evelyn Bedale 9d 957 Scan available - click to view
MASON Walter Wright Bedale 9d 957 Scan available - click to view

The district Bedale is in the county of North Riding of Yorkshire; information about it can be found here



1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Snape Bedale, Snape, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Walter Mason Head Married Male 31 1880 Islington London Farm Labourer
Transcription
Mary Mason Wife Married Female 28 1883 Well Yorkshire -
Transcription
Walter Mason Son - Male 3 1908 Snape Yorks -
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Mildred Mason Daughter - Female 1 1910 Snape Yorks -



Birth:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
MASON, WALTER WRIGHT TOMES Order
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 266 Order



Joseph Wright Mason

(1918-1992)
Fact Details
1992 - death
Queensland, Australia




1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Maria Terrace, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Mason Head Married Male 42 1839 Snape, Yorkshire, England Vestry Hall Messenger (?)
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Mildred A Mason Wife Married Female 39 1842 Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England -
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Joseph Mason Son Single Male 8 1873 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
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George James Mason Son Single Male 6 1875 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
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Rebecca Mary Mason Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Islington, Middlesex, England -
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Walter Wright Mason Son Single Male 1 1880 Islington, Middlesex, England - baptism says b 20/7/1879




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Sussex Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Mason Head Widower Male 52 1839 Yorkshire, England Chief Messenger & Constable To The Vastly Of St Mary Islington
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Joseph Mason Son Single Male 18 1873 London, Middlesex, England Clerk Ship Brokers
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George Mason Son Single Male 16 1875 London, Middlesex, England Clerk Ship Brokers
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Mary R Mason Daughter Single Female 14 1877 London, Middlesex, England -
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Mildred A Mason Daughter - Female 8 1883 London, Middlesex, England Scholar




1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Wray Crescent, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Mason Head Widower Male 62 1839 Yorkshire, England Messenger & Constable
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Mary R Mason Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Islington, Middlesex, England -
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Mildred A Mason Daughter Single Female 24 1877 Islington, Middlesex, England -

I lost Walter after the 1881 though on census - can anyone find him on 1891 at all?

Dea x