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helina

helina Report 27 Jul 2018 14:12

According to the 1911 census John Bevan b 1843 Forest of Dean and Sarah Tarrett (surname alters from Terrett to Territt to Derritt) married in 1874, had 15 children 5 died. I can only find 11 and 3 died, searched gro records and Gloucestershire bmd
records

Sarah Ann b 1875
Ernest Frederic b 1877
Agnes 1879-1953
Arthur John 1881-1966
Aaron (twin) 1882-1884
Moses (twin) 1882-1882
Alfred William 1884-1953
Martha (twin) b 1885
Charles (twin) 1885-1885
Mary Louisa b 1889
William b 1891

Any help would be appreciated

helina

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 14:25

Posting what I find - as I find it - from Gloucester baptisms


Agnes Bevan
13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John,
Sarah

Ernest Frederick Bevan
13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John,
Sarah

Prudence Virgenia Bevan
13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John,
Sarah

Sarah Ann Bevan
13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John,
Sarah

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 27 Jul 2018 14:26

Maybe one was stillborn and the head of house counted that as a birth

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 14:29

1881 census

Name: Prudence V. Bevan
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Bevan
Mother: Sarah Bevan
Gender: Female
Where born: Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Flaxley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: No 33 Woodside Rd
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2524
Folio: 105
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bevan 37
Sarah Bevan 34
Albert Bevan 12***************************************************
Prudence V. Bevan 8
Sarah A. Bevan 6
Ernest F. Bevan 4
Agnes Bevan 2
Arthur J. Bevan


First marriage

Name: Thomas Byett
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 317
Records on Page:
Name
Virginia Bevan
Thomas Byett

Second marriage

Name: Prudence V Byett
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Spouse: Frederick James
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 845


Death

Deaths Jun 1972 (>99%)
James Prudence Virginia 2mr1873 Gloucester C. 7b 1010

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 14:33

Albert's birth

TERRETT Albert 1868 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 29 161

and baptism

Name: Albert Terrett
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 4 Apr 1869
Baptism Place: Cinderford, St John, Gloucestershire, England
Mother: Sarah Terrett

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Jul 2018 14:36

Prudence born before marriage - no mmn given usually signifies that

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
TERRETT, PRUDENCE VIRGINIA - Order
GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 262 Order

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 14:40

So that's two more accounted for - two further births to find, assuming the mother's figure of 15 was accurate

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 14:46

Again - as I find them - births this time, from GlosBMD

BEVAN Agnes TERRETT 1878 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 44 331
BEVAN Arthur John TERRETT 1881 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 47 382
BEVAN Ernest Frederick DERRETT 1877 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 42 32
BEVAN Sarah Ann TERRETT 1875 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 38 405
BEVAN Aaron TERRETT 1882 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 49 293
BEVAN Arthur John TERRETT 1881 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 47 382
BEVAN Alfred William TERRETT 1884 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 51 312
BEVAN Charles TERRETT 1885 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 53 41
BEVAN Martha TERRETT 1885 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 53 40
BEVAN Mary Louisa TERRETT 1889 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 58 294
BEVAN William TERRETT 1891 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 61 246

Certainly 11 - if the two illegitimate ones were counted, we're still short of two

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 14:52

Not helping with your query, but you may not have this

Burial
Agnes Bevan
abt 1879 14 Dec 1953 Cinderford, St John

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 15:06

Confirming part of your info

Name: Moses Bevan
Age: 3/12
Birth Year: abt 1882
Burial Date: 16 Sep 1882
Burial Place: Cinderford, St John, Gloucestershire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 15:08

It doesn't help that, at the moment, I can't see the family in 1891 and 1901

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Jul 2018 15:20

Family 1911 - where are they 1891 and 1901, am I blind?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ruspidge Cinderford, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Bevan Head Married Male 68 1843 Glos Cinderford Roadman Underground
Sarah Bevan Wife Married Female 64 1847 Glos Ruspidge -
Agnes Bevan Daughter Single Female 32 1879 Glos Cinderford Domestic Servant
Alfred Bevan Son Single Male 28 1883 Glos Cinderford Coal Miner Hewer
Louisa Bevan Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Glos Cinderford -
William Bevan Son Single Male 20 1891 Glos Ruspidge Coal Miner Hewer

Snap Erica - have been looking for ages 1891/1901. Would expect them to be Westbury area 1891 as William was born (Ruspidge) Q2 Westbury RD

helina

helina Report 27 Jul 2018 16:06

Thank you for what you have found, so Sarah had 2 children before marriage, just out of interest Sarah was classed as single when she married in 1874. As already mentioned 2 could be stillborn (would their deaths/births be registered)

helina

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 16:22

helina

Please delete the link - it messes up the page.

And it isn't necessary - I posted the 1911 census for all to see.

Stillborn births were not supposed to be included. And, yes, she was single when she married - her first two children were illegitimate

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Jul 2018 16:32

Helina - have you found the family in 1891 or 1901 - or are you just going by the 1911 census and births found?

There may be children named on a census with no other record to be found for them

If Sarah was 64 in 1911 she would have been around 44 when she had William, so although still possible, perhaps unlike to have had children after him.

Look for gaps between other births when children births not yet found could have happened.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 27 Jul 2018 16:50

Mistranscribed on FMP in 1891


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ruspidge, East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England

Ino Beron Head Married Male 47 1844 Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner
Sarah Beron Wife Married Female 44 1847 Gloucestershire, England -
Ernest F Beron Son Single Male 14 1877 Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner
Agnes Beron Daughter Single Female 12 1879 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Arthur G Beron Son Single Male 10 1881 Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Alfred W Beron Son Single Male 8 1883 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Mary L Beron Daughter Single Female 2 1889 Gloucestershire, England -
- Beron Son Single Male 0 1891 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England -

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Jul 2018 16:55

Could this be a possibility - no mmn given

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TERRETT, ARTHUR - Order
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 246

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
TERRETT, ARTHUR 3 Order
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in OF WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 179

greyghost

greyghost Report 27 Jul 2018 17:01

Same mistranscription 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ruspidge, East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Beron Head Married Male 48 1853 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner
Sarah Beron Wife Married Female 44 1857 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England -
Arthur Beron Son Single Male 20 1881 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner
Alfred Beron Son Single Male 18 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner
Martha Beron Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England -
Louisa Beron Daughter Single Female 12 1889 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar
William Beron Son Single Male 10 1891 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Scholar

Unfortunately in both cases the original does look like Beron so don't think any chance of reporting it and getting it changed

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 17:08

Oh, GG, well done for finding them in 1891/1901.

And the extra child - only one to find, now

Unfortunately, Arthur wasn't baptised, but this is the burial

Name: Arthur Terrett
Age: 3
Birth Year: abt 1871
Burial Date: 26 Mar 1874
Burial Place: Cinderford, St John, Gloucestershire, England

Abode: Woodside

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Jul 2018 17:22

Well, they lied in 1871 about being married...............I wonder if John had a wife elsewhere

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lamb Inn, East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England

John Bevan Head - Male 26 1845 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Sarah Bevan Wife - Female 24 1847 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Albert Bevan Son - Male 2 1869 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Virgena Bevan Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Arthur Bevan Son - Male 0 1871 - Gloucestershire, England