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27 Jul 2018 14:12 |
According to the 1911 census John Bevan b 1843 Forest of Dean and Sarah Tarrett (surname alters from Terrett to Territt to Derritt) married in 1874, had 15 children 5 died. I can only find 11 and 3 died, searched gro records and Gloucestershire bmd records
Sarah Ann b 1875 Ernest Frederic b 1877 Agnes 1879-1953 Arthur John 1881-1966 Aaron (twin) 1882-1884 Moses (twin) 1882-1882 Alfred William 1884-1953 Martha (twin) b 1885 Charles (twin) 1885-1885 Mary Louisa b 1889 William b 1891
Any help would be appreciated
helina
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27 Jul 2018 14:25 |
Posting what I find - as I find it - from Gloucester baptisms
Agnes Bevan 13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John, Sarah
Ernest Frederick Bevan 13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John, Sarah
Prudence Virgenia Bevan 13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John, Sarah
Sarah Ann Bevan 13 Jun 1880 Cinderford, St John John, Sarah
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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27 Jul 2018 14:26 |
Maybe one was stillborn and the head of house counted that as a birth
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27 Jul 2018 14:29 |
1881 census
Name: Prudence V. Bevan Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: John Bevan Mother: Sarah Bevan Gender: Female Where born: Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Civil Parish: Flaxley County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street address: No 33 Woodside Rd Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Westbury On Severn ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2524 Folio: 105 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age John Bevan 37 Sarah Bevan 34 Albert Bevan 12*************************************************** Prudence V. Bevan 8 Sarah A. Bevan 6 Ernest F. Bevan 4 Agnes Bevan 2 Arthur J. Bevan
First marriage
Name: Thomas Byett Registration Year: 1893 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Westbury on Severn Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume: 6a Page: 317 Records on Page: Name Virginia Bevan Thomas Byett
Second marriage
Name: Prudence V Byett Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946 Registration district: Forest of Dean Inferred County: Gloucestershire Spouse: Frederick James Volume Number: 7b Page Number: 845
Death
Deaths Jun 1972 (>99%) James Prudence Virginia 2mr1873 Gloucester C. 7b 1010
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 14:33 |
Albert's birth
TERRETT Albert 1868 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 29 161
and baptism
Name: Albert Terrett Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 4 Apr 1869 Baptism Place: Cinderford, St John, Gloucestershire, England Mother: Sarah Terrett
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27 Jul 2018 14:36 |
Prudence born before marriage - no mmn given usually signifies that
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: TERRETT, PRUDENCE VIRGINIA - Order GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 262 Order
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 14:40 |
So that's two more accounted for - two further births to find, assuming the mother's figure of 15 was accurate
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27 Jul 2018 14:46 |
Again - as I find them - births this time, from GlosBMD
BEVAN Agnes TERRETT 1878 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 44 331 BEVAN Arthur John TERRETT 1881 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 47 382 BEVAN Ernest Frederick DERRETT 1877 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 42 32 BEVAN Sarah Ann TERRETT 1875 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 38 405 BEVAN Aaron TERRETT 1882 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 49 293 BEVAN Arthur John TERRETT 1881 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 47 382 BEVAN Alfred William TERRETT 1884 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 51 312 BEVAN Charles TERRETT 1885 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 53 41 BEVAN Martha TERRETT 1885 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 53 40 BEVAN Mary Louisa TERRETT 1889 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 58 294 BEVAN William TERRETT 1891 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 61 246
Certainly 11 - if the two illegitimate ones were counted, we're still short of two
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 14:52 |
Not helping with your query, but you may not have this
Burial Agnes Bevan abt 1879 14 Dec 1953 Cinderford, St John
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 15:06 |
Confirming part of your info
Name: Moses Bevan Age: 3/12 Birth Year: abt 1882 Burial Date: 16 Sep 1882 Burial Place: Cinderford, St John, Gloucestershire, England
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 15:08 |
It doesn't help that, at the moment, I can't see the family in 1891 and 1901
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2018 15:20 |
Family 1911 - where are they 1891 and 1901, am I blind?
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ruspidge Cinderford, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation John Bevan Head Married Male 68 1843 Glos Cinderford Roadman Underground Sarah Bevan Wife Married Female 64 1847 Glos Ruspidge - Agnes Bevan Daughter Single Female 32 1879 Glos Cinderford Domestic Servant Alfred Bevan Son Single Male 28 1883 Glos Cinderford Coal Miner Hewer Louisa Bevan Daughter Single Female 21 1890 Glos Cinderford - William Bevan Son Single Male 20 1891 Glos Ruspidge Coal Miner Hewer
Snap Erica - have been looking for ages 1891/1901. Would expect them to be Westbury area 1891 as William was born (Ruspidge) Q2 Westbury RD
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helina
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27 Jul 2018 16:06 |
Thank you for what you have found, so Sarah had 2 children before marriage, just out of interest Sarah was classed as single when she married in 1874. As already mentioned 2 could be stillborn (would their deaths/births be registered)
helina
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 16:22 |
helina
Please delete the link - it messes up the page.
And it isn't necessary - I posted the 1911 census for all to see.
Stillborn births were not supposed to be included. And, yes, she was single when she married - her first two children were illegitimate
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greyghost
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27 Jul 2018 16:32 |
Helina - have you found the family in 1891 or 1901 - or are you just going by the 1911 census and births found?
There may be children named on a census with no other record to be found for them
If Sarah was 64 in 1911 she would have been around 44 when she had William, so although still possible, perhaps unlike to have had children after him.
Look for gaps between other births when children births not yet found could have happened.
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27 Jul 2018 16:50 |
Mistranscribed on FMP in 1891
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ruspidge, East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England
Ino Beron Head Married Male 47 1844 Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Sarah Beron Wife Married Female 44 1847 Gloucestershire, England - Ernest F Beron Son Single Male 14 1877 Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Agnes Beron Daughter Single Female 12 1879 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Arthur G Beron Son Single Male 10 1881 Gloucestershire, England Scholar Alfred W Beron Son Single Male 8 1883 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Mary L Beron Daughter Single Female 2 1889 Gloucestershire, England - - Beron Son Single Male 0 1891 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England -
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27 Jul 2018 16:55 |
Could this be a possibility - no mmn given
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: TERRETT, ARTHUR - Order GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 246
Name: Age at Death (in years): Order: TERRETT, ARTHUR 3 Order GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in OF WESTBURY ON SEVERN Volume 06A Page 179
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27 Jul 2018 17:01 |
Same mistranscription 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Ruspidge, East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation John Beron Head Married Male 48 1853 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Sarah Beron Wife Married Female 44 1857 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England - Arthur Beron Son Single Male 20 1881 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Alfred Beron Son Single Male 18 1883 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Martha Beron Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England - Louisa Beron Daughter Single Female 12 1889 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar William Beron Son Single Male 10 1891 Ruspidge, Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Unfortunately in both cases the original does look like Beron so don't think any chance of reporting it and getting it changed
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 17:08 |
Oh, GG, well done for finding them in 1891/1901.
And the extra child - only one to find, now
Unfortunately, Arthur wasn't baptised, but this is the burial
Name: Arthur Terrett Age: 3 Birth Year: abt 1871 Burial Date: 26 Mar 1874 Burial Place: Cinderford, St John, Gloucestershire, England
Abode: Woodside
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ErikaH
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27 Jul 2018 17:22 |
Well, they lied in 1871 about being married...............I wonder if John had a wife elsewhere
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Lamb Inn, East Dean, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England John Bevan Head - Male 26 1845 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription Sarah Bevan Wife - Female 24 1847 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription Albert Bevan Son - Male 2 1869 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription Virgena Bevan Daughter - Female 1 1870 - Gloucestershire, England Transcription Arthur Bevan Son - Male 0 1871 - Gloucestershire, England
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