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You are right ArgyllGran ..... best way forward with this now is that Catten/Battershill marriage cert,if its her then hopefully she didn't lie about my grandad being her dad

As shown on posts above (page 1) , she married Ernest Smith in 1946.

Just had a reply from a lady on ancestry that says that her Helen May Battershll nee Catten was a nurse & asked if my Ellen May Catten was possibly a Nurse

Mr Battershill married again in the 1950s & she says she thinks she married again too

:-D

Thank you ArgyllGran.......... i must admit a few extra pairs of eyes has been great....it's driving me nuts

.....thats 12 years age difference, i know they lied about their age in those days but thats a big lie

No, that Ellen, lady's maid, isn't your Ellen .
Here's the 1936 outward journey from the US records -


Ellen Hannah Catton
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Ellen Hannah Catton
Arrival date: 17 Nov 1936
Birth Date: abt 1907
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Worplesdon
Age: 29
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Friend's Name: A T Henderson
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Queen Mary

Helen Lubbock was back in Adhurst St Mary in 1939:

Helen Lubbook
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Helen Lubbook
[Helen Lubbock]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1896
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Adhurst St Mary Steep
Residence Place: Petersfield, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Private Means
Schedule Number: 83
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: EEPV
Registration district: 103-1
Inferred Spouse: Alan Lubbook
Household Members:
Name
Alan Lubbook - Army Major, RA
Helen Lubbook
David G Longman - General farm worker
Jerie Macnaughton - [Jessie ] housekeeper
Alice M Calthpole - [ Catchpole ]] housemaid
Margaret T Coleman - Under housemaid
Frank J Richardson - footman

Also one closed record after Frank Richardson.

Rosie Was 19 when she died. Nellie would of been 24 when she left & 28 if she got on that Ship..........
Quite a possible chance ArgillGran

Yes Shirley i have the baptism & my granddads WW1 service history records, he went AWOL & got all the children out of the poor house, my mother always said it was Dr Barnardo but i've never found any record to prove that only the poor house bless them.

Catherine my grandmother had consumption & died when my mother was 12, she was unable to care for the children

Nellie was a Nurse, I've got photos of her & one of her in her late teens, i suppose its always poss that she went to New York

Thank you very much ladies for your efforts to help me

Also this:

Ellen Catton
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Ellen Catton
Gender: Female
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1907
Departure Date: 11 Nov 1936
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Queen Mary
Shipping line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 164282
Master: R B Irving

Travelling with Helen Lubbock. Address in UK: Peter Lubbock Travel, London W.



NOT this one - posting for elimination - this is a married woman, husband Harold Kattan:

Ellen Kattan
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Ellen Kattan
Gender: Female
Age: 41
Birth Date: abt 1909
Departure Date: 7 Sep 1950
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Daeen Mary
Shipping line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 164282
Master: H Grattidge

This looks like the same person coming the other way the previous year:

Ellen Catton
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Ellen Catton
Arrival Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1906
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival date: 31 Dec 1936
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: New York
Ship Name: Queen Mary
Shipping line: French Line
Official Number: 60

Lady's maid.

Proposed address in UK: Adhurst St Mary, Petersfield, Hants.

Also travelling to Adhurst St Mary is Helen Lubbock, housewife, 40.

Maybe traveling as a maid

Ellen Catton
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1907
Departure Date: 29 Sep 1937
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Lle De France
Search Ship Database: Search for the Lle De France in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: C G T
Master: Jales Chabot

On the war record of fathers

View British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: Ellen May Catten
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1908
Document Year: 1917
Relationship to Soldier: Child
Form Title: Descriptive Report on Joining
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Harry William Catten Self (Head)
Katherine Maud
Ellen May Catten Child
Charles Albert Catten Child
Ivy Florence Catten Child
Rose Victoria Catten Child
Mary James Catten Child
Lambert John Catten Child

Note on records says 6 children put into care of Richmond poor law guidians due to mothers neglect 31/3/1919

Don't know if you already have this

Ellen May Catten
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1908
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1908
Baptism Place: Richmond, St Mary Magdalene with St Mathias, Surrey, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Richmond, St Mary Magdalene with St Mathias' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Harry Catten
Mother: Catherine Catten

Nellie Lawrences's father was Charles, Malyon - we've already discounted her.

is this nellie's death

Deaths Jun 1970 (>99%)
LAWRENCE Nellie May 18My1898 Leeds

i ment 18th Feb 1908

ArgyllGran
Sorry our posts just crossed, yes i think you're right that has to be worth a go 19 Feb 1908 was def her DOB
I thought though that i checked into Helen M Catten & it gave different parents, i'll check again

Well thank you everyone for your time & efforts this afternoon

It's such a shame, apparently she took off after a row over money, I have no more info about that.
My mother had three brothers & another sister who gave birth to twin girls only one survived & was later adopted..........a month after giving birth My mothers sister Rosie died in hospital........ Nellie's disappearance was just before Rosie died
So mum lost both sisters at the same time

I've been doing this for donkeys years & had so many amazing results....... just that odd one or two :-(

It would be worth buying a copy of the Catten / Battershill marriage cert, to see who she names as her father.

Although the transcription of the 1939 register Maddie posted from FMP says her DOB was 19 July 1908, the image says 19 Feb 1908, and is transcribed correctly on Ancestry.