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A 3rd DNA match also had Mary McCauley 1841 married to Thomas McKnight, Mary is a sibling of Rober McCauley

The DNA match has the name John Davies married to Elizabeth, they have a daughter Evelina Amelia Davies who married Robert McCauley, Robert William McCauley appears in another DNA match's tree and my only name link is Davies.

Yes this is the same one, I have tried to look for parents and siblings on both John and David Davies, but there are so many possible families also more difficult to confirm before census records, John's birth record had John and Anne as parents but I couldn't find a marriage for them around his birth date.

Have you tried looking yourself? If so, where have you looked?

For our reference - is this John in 1861? -

John Davies
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Davies
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 13
Piece: 2869
Folio: 54
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Davies 42
Elizabeth Davies 53
Frederick Davies 21
Eveline A Davies 12
John Geo Bloor 23 - boarder

It relates to a Ancestry DNA match

Why do you think there is - or could be - a link?

I am trying to find a link between the David Davies 1838 Welshpool and John Davies 1819 Wrexham (married to Elizabeth and daughter Evelina Amelia) David's father is also David as per the marriage record above but not sure where he was born ?

Thank you all for your research and Information, always very much appreciated.

Possible baptism for a David Davies born c1839 Welshpool, as per the census, with a father named David, as per the marriage register:

First name(s) David
Last name Davies
Birth year 1839
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1839
Baptism day 17
Baptism month Feb
Place Welshpool
County Montgomeryshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) David<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Esther<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record set Montgomeryshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

Abode Pool Town. Father's occupation either Spinner or Skinner.

This one is a couple of years earlier than the 1839 of the census, but image says father David is a tailor:

First name(s) David
Last name Davies
Birth year 1837
Baptism year 1837
Baptism day 29
Baptism month Jan
Place Welshpool
County Montgomeryshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) David<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's last name Davies
Father's residence Pool town
Father's occupation Tailor<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth<<<<<<<<<<
Record set Montgomeryshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

The 1861 census gives birthplaces for John Hale and wife Margaret:


>>>John Heale Head 52 1809 Male Preston Lancashire England
>>>Margret Heale Wife 50 1811 Female Liverpool Lancashire England
102 Isace Heale Son 32 1829 Male Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 Rachael Heale Daughter 30 1831 Female Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 Jane Heale Daughter 29 1832 Female Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 Ann Heale Daughter 28 1833 Female Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 Margret Heale Daughter 25 1836 Female Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 Cathrine Heale Daughter 23 1838 Female Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 John Heale Son 19 1842 Male Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 William Heale Son 16 1845 Male Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 James Heale Son 11 1850 Male Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 Peter Heale Son 11 1850 Male Birkenhead Cheshire England
102 Mary Heale Daughter 9 1852 Female Birkenhead Cheshire England


Margaret was born in Liverpool. This seems likely to be her marriage to John Hale:

Name: Margaret Creighton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Dec 1827
Parish: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Spouse: John Hale<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript

John Hale is described as a bricklayer.

Baptism of a Catherine Hale in Birkenhead c1838, with father named John.

First name(s) CATHERINE
Last name HALE
Age -
Gender Female
Birth year 1838
Birth date -
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 25 Feb 1838
Church St. Mary
Place BIRKENHEAD
Father's first name(s) John<<<<<<<<<<<
Father's last name Hale
Mother's first name(s) Margret<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's last name Hale
County Cheshire
Country England
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester bishop's transcripts baptisms 1576-1906

Father a labourer.

The family in census 1851? Father John is a bricklayer, which tallies with his occupation on Catherine's marriage register.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Meacock Street, Birkenhead, Wirral, Cheshire, England

>>>John Hale Head Married Male 47 1804 Bricklayer Not Known
>>>Margaret Hale Wife Married Female 46 1805 - Not Known
Isaac Hale Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Bricklayer Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Elizabeth Hale Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Rachael Hale Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Jane Hale Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1832 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Ann Hale Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Margaret Hale Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
>>>Catharine Hale Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
John Hale Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
William Hale Son Unmarried Male 7 1844 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
James Hale Son Unmarried Male 4 1847 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Peter George Hale Son Unmarried Male 1 1850 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

More on the Davies-Hall marriage Dea found:

Name: Catherine Hall
[Catherine Hale]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1859
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
Father: John Hall
Spouse: David Davie

David Davies of full age, bachelor, tailor of Roscoe St, son of David Davies, labourer. Catherine Hall/Hale, spinster, of full age , of Roscoe St, daur of John Hale , Bricksetter.

Signed by David Davies the groom, Catherine Hale made her mark. Witnesses were Thomas Francis, and Margaret Hale.

As young William isn't with them in 1871, perhaps his death - - -

DAVIES, WILLIAM 0
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 260

Looks like David was also in there:


1901:
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First name(s) David
Last name Davies
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Age 62
Birth year 1839
Birth town Welshpool
Birth town as transcribed WELSHPOOL
Birth place Wales
Birth place other as transcribed -
Birth county Montgomeryshire
Birth county as transcribed MONTGOMERYSHIRE
Occupation Jour Tailor
House name - Birkenhead Union Workhouse, Tranmere,
House number -
Street -
Town -
Parish Birkenhead
Country England
County Cheshire
Municipal ward Bebington
Registration district Birkenhead
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 3399
Folio 210
Page 25
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Dea x

??? In Birkenhead Union Workhouse, Tranmere.

Catherine Davies
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Catherine Davies - married, laundress
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: Tranmere St Catherine
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: Birkenhead
Neighbors:
Piece: 3399
Folio: 200
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 1

Young William's birth ??

DAVIES, WILLIAM mms HALE
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 460

Catherine Davies
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Catherine Davies
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: 1838
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 236
Piece: 2643
Folio: 119
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Jardine 60
Martha A Jardine 7
Francis Syer 40
James Jardine 17
Edward Lloyd 17
Mary A Davies 27
David Davies 22 - tailor
Catherine Davies 23
William Davies 1/12

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Marriages Jun 1859 (>99%)
Davies David Liverpool 8b 245 Scan available - click to view ***
Evans Owen Liverpool 8b 245 Scan available - click to view
Hale Catherine Liverpool 8b 245 Scan available - click to view ***
Murphy Mary Liverpool 8b 245 Scan available - click to view

For some reason, Daniel used to be 'David (IF it is the same family) ?????


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Ann Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David Davis Head - Male 33 1838 - Wales - Tailor
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Catherine Davis Wife - Female 33 1838 - Lancashire, England
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John Davis Son - Male 7 1864 - Cheshire, England
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Eliza Davis Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Cheshire, England
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David Davis Son - Male 0 1871 - Cheshire, England

Dea x

Thanks Dea appreciate your research x