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If you ask again for help with this family, please make sure that you mention your previous posts, so that people do not go over the same ground yet again.
Thank you

Sorry in the delay in thanking all you great people once again, work commitments I'm afraid. I am now in the process of putting all your (and other) info together and will see what I am missing. I will post up separate enquiries of names I need more info on so will bring this tread to an end. once again thanks for all your help.

Roy

Birth years on censuses are calculated from the stated age, which depends on when the census was taken. So look at the AGE

1841 rounded down ages of over 15’s to the nearest 5

Try looking for info yourself about possible deaths on SP website

And take note of the fact that there are two distinct locations of posted births/baptisms, and of the two marriages I found. Every scrap of info must be considered and evaluated. Especially the DATES - and the mother's forename

Thanks for all that info erikaH, but it has really got me confused.
1 There are two Agnus's one born 1813 and one born 1820, I am presuming that the first one must have died.
2 I also see there are two Davids one born 1807 and the other 1810-, again I presume the first died.
3 It seems that David and Jean had there family over a long period starting 1807 and lasting untill 1824
4 It seems strange that you have Jean as being born 1824 but the 1841 and 1851 census has her born 1826 and the 1861 & 71 census has her born 1825. Still I presume you can not put too much reliability on census dates as they were only as good as the person telling and the person writting.
Still I now have more info than I did have so that is great, more the merrier.

Roy

Name David White
Spouse's Name Jane Allen
Event Date 28 Sep 1806
Event Place Cupar,Fife,Scotland


Name David White
Spouse's Name Allan
Event Date 30 Nov 1815
Event Place Aberlemno,Angus,Scotland***********************check against census

Found on familysearch, which is FREE to all


Jean White
Scotland Births and Baptisms
Name Jean White
Gender Female
Christening Date 21 Nov 1824
Christening Place CRAIG BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date 08 Nov 1824
Father's Name David White
Mother's Name Jean Allan

Name James White
Gender Male
Christening Date 14 Jul 1817
Christening Place MARYTON BY MONTROSE,ANGUS,SCOTLAND
Birth Date 04 Jul 1817
Father's Name David White
Mother's Name Jean Allan

ALSO


birth: 22 January 1820
christening: 30 January 1820 CRAIG BY MONTROSE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father: David White
mother: Jean Allan
Thomas White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 22 January 1820
christening: 30 January 1820 CRAIG BY MONTROSE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND
father: David White
mother: Jean Allan
Agnes White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 6 March 1813 , CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
father: David White
mother: Jane Allan
Agnes White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 6 March 1813 , Cupar, Fife, Scotland
christening: , CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1813 Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father: David White
mother: Jane Allan
Alexander White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 24 March 1807
christening: 29 March 1807 , CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1807 Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father: David White
mother: Jane Allen
Andrew White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 11 May 1808
christening: 15 May 1808 , CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1808 Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father: David White
mother: Jane Allen
David White
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

birth: 10 November 1810
christening: 17 November 1810 , CUPAR, FIFE, SCOTLAND
residence: 1810 Cupar, Fifeshire, Scotland
father: David White
mother: Allen
David White

Thanks for all your help in helping me trace my wifes White family history. I now feel I have enough information to be able to see certicates on scotish peaple web site If anyone come accross any info on David White 1784/6 and his wife let me know. I have info from 1841, 1851 & 1861 census on David but really have little about his children, James , Jean and William. I do have information on Thomas Who is my wife direct decendant. So if any one knows anything about the others I would be most greatfull

Roy

MI for Anna Catanach Beattie/ White's parents.

1857 Erected by DAVID BEATTIE blacksmith in memory of his daughter AGNES MITCHEL who died 1st August 1856 aged 12 years and 9 months Also two infant daughters are intered here And of his wife MARGARET NICOL, who died 12th. June 1859 in the 40th year of her age. The said DAVID BEATTIE died at Shrewsbury 30th. July 1862 aged 46 years.

I think this would be David Beattie's parents which explains Anna's middle name.


Erected by JAMES BEATTIE in memory of his wife ANN CATANACH who died 22nd Augt 185(3) aged 68 years. And also of their following family, viz. GEORGE who died in June 1817 aged 3½ years. JANE who died in April 1829 aged 20 days. AGNES who died in Novr 1831 aged 2(5) years. HELEN SCOTT who died 1st Novr 1855 aged 29 years. JAMES who died ... 185(9) aged (41) years. The said JAMES BEATTIE died ... 1857 in the ... year of his age.

http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/Angus/Dun.html

I don't see him in censuses after 1871.

According to SP, there were no Andrew White deaths anywhere in Scotland between 1871 and 1909 (surprising!).
From 1909 onwards, there are several who would be the right age, but none in Angus or Forfar, so can't guess if any of them might be him.

Also no marriages, apart from an Andrew B White in 1882 in St Clement, Dundee. The place is possible, but he didn't have a middle name at birth.


Perhaps your Andrew emigrated.


EDIT:

Just a possibility - a death with different spelling. Monikie is in Angus:

WHYTE
ANDREW
25
1879
311/ 11
Monikie

Thank again so what do we think happened to Andrew after the 1871 census when he was a Boarder with the Robertsons, Andrew is the last child of Thomas and Elisabeth White I have to try to sort out.

Roy

I think this is David in 1861 living with his grandparents.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Braes, Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
David White Head Married Male 77 1784 House Proprietor Aberlemno, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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Jean White Wife Married Female 77 1784 - Largo, Fife, Scotland
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Jean White Daughter Unmarried Female 36 1825 - Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
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>>David White Grand Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Lawer's Clerk (Ap) Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

ALSO

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367633

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364142

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367632

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364376

I thought this all sounded familiar! We've found lots on this family before https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1366552

We were following James White then and found his parents Thomas and Elizabeth Nicol and followed their lines.

EDIT Roy has said that he has most of the information about David's birth family. This is just to let helpers know that a lot has already been found on these families :-D

No, I think this is more likely to be him:



Andrew White
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew White
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dun, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 312
Registration district: Montrose
Civil Parish: Montrose
Town: Montrose
County: Angus
Address: No 60 Union St
Occupation: Lawyers Clerk (servant)
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 171
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_58
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Robertson 42
Mary Robertson 40
Andrew White 18

Andrew in the army 1871 ?? 90th Light Infantry - - -


Andrew White
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew White
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Gender: Male
Where born: Forfar
Registration Number: 685/4
Registration district: St Giles
Civil Parish: Edinburgh High Church
County: Midlothian
Address: Edinburgh
Occupation: Private 90 L I
ED: Edinburgh Castle
Household schedule number: 1
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_164

(Plus a long list of other privates.)




EDIT: - -

But next post is more likely -

???


David White
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: David White
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Forfar, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 282/2
Registration district: Dundee Second District
Civil Parish: Liff and Benvie
County: Angus
Address: 8 Isles Lane
Occupation: Calander Worker
ED: 32
Household schedule number: 10
LINE: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_41
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexr Forbes 30
Harriet Forbes 27
Mitildie Forbes 4
Cathrine Forbes 2
David White 15


Without spending credits on SP to look at the image, I can't tell if "Calander worker" is correct, or a mistranscription of something else.

To find cemeteries in Islington - google is the most obvious way to go


There is also this site:


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

Gee thanks for all your help, I have just about got all the details of David and Annies family sorted out. Onr thing I am finding strange is that I have not been able to find where David was for the 1861 census, he would have only been 15 or so . Also do any of you know where I can find any information on Cemetaerys or gravesites in Islington so I can find out where any of this family are buried. Obviously since niether James or Agnes White got married that is the end of the line for David and Annie.

So now I go onto Davids Brother Andrew White, born 5/7/1852 in Dun, Forfarshire. Anyone keen to help a poor kiwi out???

Roy

Marriage for David's parents:

Marriage Transcription:
name(s) Thomas White
Marriage date 15 Dec 1843
Marriage place Dun,Angus,Scotland
Spouse's name(s) Elisabeth Nicol
Place Dun
County Forfarshire (Angus)
Country Scotland
Record set Scotland Marriages 1561-1910

Baptism for David:

Name: David White
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 13 Jun 1845
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1845
Baptism Place: Dun,Angus,Scotland
Father: Thomas White
Mother: Elisabeth Nicol
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David in 1851 (and where the name came from for Jame's House in Suffolk)

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Farm House of Gilrivie, Dun, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Thomas White Head Married Male 33 1818 Farmer (Of 120 Acres 4 Labourers 2 Men 1 Woman & 1 Boy Craig, Forfarshire (Angus),
Elisabeth White Wife Married Female 34 1817 Farmer's Wife Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
David White Son - Male 5 1846 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
James White Son - Male 3 1848 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
William White Son - Male 1 1850 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
Jane Scott Servant Unmarried Female 21 1830 Kitchen Maid Fettercairn, Kincardineshire,
Mary Gavin Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 Ag Lab Fettercairn, Kincardineshire,
Alexander Stewart Servant - Male 17 1834 Ag Lab Fordoun, Kincardineshire,
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David's family left Gilrivie Farm in 1860 (shown by ads in newpapers) Thomas changed his job. This is David's parents in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Davids Street, Brechin, Brechin Burgh, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland

Thomas Whyte Head Married Male 42 1819 Stone Mason Craig, Forfarshire (Angus),
Elizabeth Whyte Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus),
James Whyte Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Andrew Whyte Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland