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Sorry it was tired me getting the numbers of the yob mixed up!

I'm at work today so don't have much time- but just wondered where the birth date of 1896 came from?

Briefly looking back on the thread I had thought this was a possible death for him which gives an earlier birth date:

Name: Joseph Steadman
Death Age: 49
Birth Date: abt 1889
Registration Date: Mar 1938
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d Page: 680
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Does it give his age and father's name on his marriage certificate?

Help with Joseph Steadman snr if possible please. born c 1896 d 1938 Birmingham. ( Friends sister may have certificate but has to find it!) Am having trouble " back- tracking" him As he didn't marry Beatrice until 1914 they wont be on 1911 census together and I haven't access to the electoral roll, not sure of Josephs occupation, I did find a whip maker b 1893 and living in Birmingham but I looked at the transcript and not the original - this is when my credits ran out so I would be grateful for any help. Thanks in advance.
(am off to bed now so I will check back in the morning)

Thanks mgnv I'll take a good look at all this

This is pretty much guesswork


1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZT-V4C
Event Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
County: Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: St George
Sub-District: St George
Registration District: Birmingham
Residence Note: Great Russell Street
Schedule Type: 123
Registration Number RG13 Piece/Folio 2841/109 Page Number 19
Emily Cooper Head F 38 Birmingham, Warwickshire BRIDLE STITCHER
William Cooper Son M 17 Birmingham, Warwickshire VAN DRIVER
John Cooper Son M 14 Birmingham, Warwickshire ERRAND BOY
Harry Cooper Son M 10 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Beatrice Cooper Daughter F 7 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Samuel Cooper Son M 4 Birmingham, Warwickshire
George Witcomb Boarder M 70 Birmingham, Warwickshire SHOP PORTER

1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WG9M-9ZM
County: Warwickshire
Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST MARY
Registration District: Aston
Residence Note: Phillips Street
Registration Number: RG12 Piece/Folio: 2431/ 109 Page Number: 2
Henry Whitcombe Head M 42 Warwickshire, England M Brass Worker
Mary A Whitcombe Wife F 42 Buckinghamshire, England
Emiley Cooper Lodger F 28 Warwickshire, England W
William Cooper Son M 7 Warwickshire, England
John Cooper Son M 4 Warwickshire, England

Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
COOPER John Birmingham 6d 211
Witcomb Emily Birmingham 6d 211

Maybe
COOPER, JOHN 37 Order
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 37

Can't find all the Bs (sam) and Ds (Alf Dave)
COOPER, WILLIAM WITCOMB Order
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 325

COOPER, ALICE WITCOMB Order
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 129
COOPER, ALICE 1 Order
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 86

COOPER, JOHN THOMAS WITCOMB Order
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 140

COOPER, ALFRED WITCOMB Order
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 136

COOPER, HENRY WHITCOMBE Order
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 420

COOPER, BEATRICE WITCOMB Order
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 142

COOPER, DAVID WITCOMB Order
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 142




Marriages Sep 1848 (>99%)
HILL Sarah Birmingham 16 344
Whitcomb Samuel Birmingham 16 344

WITCOMB, EMILY HILL Order
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 206 Order

Dea;s 1939 and AQ's d.rego both give her b'day as 20 June, but difft y.o.b.'s.

COOPER, BEATRICE WITCOMB Order
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 142

sorry for being late in replying - am still looking for info myself. Thank you for your replies. I'll be seeing my friend tomorrow so I will ask if he is in touch with the daughter
born in 1927.

Having followed the children of Joseph and Beatrice it looks like one of the daughters (born 1927) is still living. She appears on the 2018 electoral register.

She isn't listed in the indexes for Warstone Cemetery.

She died in 1978:

First name(s) BEATRICE
Last name STEADMAN
Gender Female
Birth 20 June 1893
Death quarter 1
Death year 1978
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 32 Page 0521

thank you - is Beatrice with him do you know?

Warwickshire Burials Transcription

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Steadman
Birth year -
Death year 1938
Burial year 1938
Cemetery Birmingham, Warstone Lane Cemetery
Number in grave 3
County Warwickshire
Country England
Family history society contact https://midland-ancestors.shop/BIRM-Cemeteries
Source Warwickshire, Birmingham Burials, 1836-2010
Record set Warwickshire Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain
Birmingham and Midland Society for Genealogy and Heraldry

Thanks Austin and Dea, having checked with my friend he has confirmed the Kendal Rise Rd address, so glad you looked at this otherwise a lot of time would have been spent on the wrong people - thank you so much for your help.
Apologies to SyvialnCanada for giving the wrong info but still very grateful for your help and for the information about Joyce.

Yes Dea- I'm pretty certain it's correct-

Beatrice lived for many years in Kendal Rise Road

On the electoral register (1950- 1955) Joyce and Joseph are living at Rock Avenue which is just a stone's throw away from Kendal Rise Road.

Possible death for father, Joseph:

Name: Joseph Steadman
Death Age: 49
Birth Date: abt 1889
Registration Date: Mar 1938
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d Page: 680

Beatrice also had another son- he appears with her later on the electoral register at Kendal Rise Road:

Births Sep 1932
Steadman Ronald Cooper Birmingham N. 6d 551

Death:
Name: Mr Ronald Steadman
Gender: Male
Age: 78
Birth Date: 1932
Death Date: 1 Dec 2010
Residence Place at Death: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Postal Code District: B45

I reckon that's the one too Austin - she is a widow on 1939 but there are closed records on there who 'could' be Joseph + Leslie? :

Steadman Household (7 People) 200 Kendal Rise Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Beatrice Steadman 20 Jun 1894 Laundry Hand
Irene Craven (Steadman) 23 Nov 1916 Enameller
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Hilda Thornley (Steadman) 01 Aug 1928 At School
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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Steadman Irene Cooper Birmingham 6d 363


Births Sep 1928 (>99%)
Steadman Hilda Cooper Birmingham N. 6d 600

Dea x

I suspect that the 1912 birth for Joseph is not the the Joseph you are looking for.

That Joseph seems to have died the same year:

Births Mar 1912
Steadman Joseph Bailey Birmingham 6d 101

Deaths Sep 1912
STEADMAN Joseph 0 Birmingham 6d 81
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Is it possible he was born a little later. You mentioned a possible brother, Leslie- this would seem to fit with these births (with mother's maiden name Cooper):

Births Jun 1914
STEADMAN Joseph Cooper Birmingham 6d 588

Births Sep 1918
Steadman Leslie Cooper Birmingham 6d 366
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Possible death for Joseph:

Name: Joseph Steadman
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: 27 Apr 1914
Registration Date: Jun 1979
Registration district: Birmingham
Volume: 32 Page: 1473
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There are a couple of possible Cooper/ Steadman marriages, but I think this is most likely:

Marriages Mar 1914

COOPER Beatrice Steadman Birmingham 6d 368
Steadman Joseph Cooper Birmingham 6d 368
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Electoral register 1935:

5 court 48 Hingeston Street
Joseph Steadman (the elder)
Beatrice Steadman
Joseph Steadman (the younger)

Lynne

so far as I could tell, both trees on ancestry were the same, with exactly the same information. I bet one copied from the other!!

But we do need to be certain that Joseph's parents were Lydia Mary Bailey and John Steadman.

I'm hoping my friend will get some feedback from his relative soon and this information can be backed up, I didn't realize there were 2 trees on Ancestry - wonder if they are accurate, still I will make note of the details and hopefully check them as soon as I can. I know the accuracy isn't always good as someone had the same relatives as me until it came to my line and there were inaccuracies. Thank you for taking a peek for me, I have posted on military chat but no replies as yet, I know it probably covers more of the mens forces but it is worth a try

This is the 1939 Register entry for John and Lydia Steadman, if these are indeed your Joseph's parents .............

Not much help!!!

Steadman Household (3 People) 6/256 Camden Street , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Lydia M Steadman 28 ? 1878 Unpaid Domestic Duties
John Steadman 05 Jan 1879 Blind Pensioner
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apparently only 1 other person there, could be one of their children or a grandchild, or ????


Of course, many young men had already joined up, and therefore are often not on the Register, certainly not at their homes.