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11 Jul 2018 22:05 |
Thanks Argyll. Hope you find your Naughty Auntie Edie - lol.
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11 Jul 2018 21:37 |
Johnson N Hodgson in the 1891 England Census Name: Johnson N Hodgson Gender: Male Age: 18 Relationship: Son Birth Year: 1873 Mother: Sarah Hodgson Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth Residence Place: Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, England Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth ED, Institution or Vessel: 8a Neighbors: Piece: 4128 Folio: 26 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Hodgson 47 Johnson N Hodgson 18 Sarah E Hodgson 22 Margaret Taylor 69
Johnson Nicholas Hodgson in the 1911 England Census Name: Johnson Nicholas Hodgson Age in 1911: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish: Sunderland County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 49 St Lukes Terr Pallion Sunderland Marital Status: Married Occupation: Fitter (engine) Registration district: Sunderland Registration District Number: 555 Sub-registration district: Sunderland West ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 30166 Household Members: Name Age Johnson Nicholas Hodgson 38 Sarah Jane Hodgson 38 John Andrew Hodgson 18 Dorothea Hodgson 16 Grace Hodgson 11 William Hodgson 9 Ethel Hodgson 5
Johnson Nicholas Hodgson in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Johnson Nicholas Hodgson Death Date: 20 Jan 1947 Death Place: Sunderland Probate Date: 12 May 1947 Registry: Durham, England
Administration to William Hodgson, fitter and turner.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Jul 2018 21:34 |
Johnson Nicholas Hodgson in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Johnson Nicholas Hodgson Gender: Male Birth Date: 13 Sep 1872 Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1872 Baptism Place: Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England Father: Nicholas Hodgson Mother: Sarah Hodgson FHL Film Number: 1514545
Johnson Hodgson in the 1881 England Census Name: Johnson Hodgson Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relationship to Head: Son Mother: Sarah Hodgson Gender: Male Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 20 Watsons Lane Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Sunderland Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 4986 Folio: 162 Page Number: 109 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Hodgson 43 Johnson Hodgson 8 Sarah E. Hodgson 10 Margaret Taylor 62
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Marian
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11 Jul 2018 21:09 |
This is great.
Awful though, being at sea so young.
Just found 1881 for Sarah and there is a son Johnson Taylor aged 8, so obviously named after Sarah's dad. Sarah is a widow and her mother Margaret is living with them.
Thank you so much.
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jul 2018 22:00 |
Nicholas may well have been away at sea in 1851, too.
https://tinyurl.com/y7od8lnj
Minors in the Royal Navy
The Royal Navy actively employed children and minors within their ranks, and indeed joining the Royal Navy as a boy was an often an unwritten prerequisite for a path towards an officer commission. Positions for minors began with the generic term "ship's boy" which was open to young boys between the ages of eight to twelve, although there was no established cutoff and there are records of boys as old as 15 to 17 joining ships as boys.
Once a boy, further advancement could be obtained through various specialties. A cabin boy assisted with the ship's kitchen, as well as other duties, while a powder monkey helped in the ship's armory. One of the highest positions for a boy was that of "officer's servant". This position was usually reserved for "young gentlemen" who joined a ship between the ages of 12 and 15 and was seen as a preparatory to becoming a midshipmen.
Prior service as a ship's boy was recorded as sea-service; officers' servants could further credit their sea time towards the mandatory requirement for sea time in order to attempt the Lieutenants' Commission Board. After the Age of Sail ended, the position of ship's boy became an actual Royal Navy rank known as "Boy seaman".
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jul 2018 21:56 |
The "Agamemnon" was in the Mediterranean Fleet until November 1861, when she was sent to America in connection with the American Civil War.
https://www.naval-history.net/xGW-RNOrganisation1861.htm#42
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jul 2018 21:33 |
Re Nicholas 1841 -
Marriage ??
Nicholas Hodgson mentioned in the record of Nicholas Hodgson and Sarah Taylor Name Nicholas Hodgson Birth Date 1842 Age 22 Spouse's Name Sarah Taylor Spouse's Birth Date 1838 Spouse's Age 26 Event Date 28 Mar 1864 Event Place Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham, England Father's Name Nicholas Hodgson Spouse's Father's Name Johnson Taylor Marital Status Single Spouse's Marital Status Single
Nicholas Hodgson in the 1871 England Census Name: Nicholas Hodgson Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Hodgson Gender: Male Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Sunderland Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 335 Piece: 5001 Folio: 90 Page Number: 69 Household Members: Name Age Nicholas Hodgson 30 - butcher <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Sarah Hodgson 33 Sarah Ellen Hodgson 11 Months
Nicholas in 1861 ??
Nichla Hodgson in the 1861 England Census Name: Nichla Hodgson Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: 1839 Relation: Butcher Gender: Male Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England Civil Parish: Vessels Town: Suda Bay Candia Island Mediterranean County/Island: Royal Navy Country: England Street address: Occupation: Butcher <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration district: Royal Navy Sub-registration district: Royal Navy ED, institution, or vessel: Agamemnon Neighbors: Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 4433 Folio: 69 Page Number: 10
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10 Jul 2018 20:37 |
hi Burials Sunderland 1837 Nicholas Pickering Hodgson birth abt 1837 Green Street Burials Sunderland 1837 John Hodgson birth abt 1837 Green Street
Baptisms Sunderland 1837 John Pickering Hodgson Green Street
all green street
you could buy some credits on this site
https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com
you can search the site for free but you need to buy credits to view
in norfolk street in 1841 sunny side is the street next to norfolk street
Burials Sunderland 1840 Mary Hodgson birth abt 1838 Sunniside
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Marian
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10 Jul 2018 19:34 |
thank you, Argyl, Alvie and safc, I don't know how you do it. It's a wonder you can find anyone with the various translations.
The children:
Nicholas Pickering Hodgson was buried 1837, this is definite. John Pickering Hodgson supposedly died 1840, Mary Pickering Hodgson supposedly dies 1838. These two are off Ancestry so can't be believed. William (born 1843 dies 1845, again off Ancestry. There is Nicholas baptised Oct 1841 but can't find 1851 and Richard White Hodgson born 1845 who is with Tamar 1851.
I think Tamar must have had a sad life, losing her children and then her husband. Surprised she didn't remarry.
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alviegal
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10 Jul 2018 18:27 |
This is the 1871 for that address. It is no 18.
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Water Works Road, Bishop Wearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Appleby Head - Female 53 1818 - Durham, England Transcription Margaret A Appleby Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Durham, England
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jul 2018 18:26 |
Ancestry's transcription has Tamar as Lauras!
Looking closely as the image, it does say Hodgson when you know what it's supposed to be. The D has a very short stem, making it look like an O, and the G has a very long tail, so that the G and S together look like a P.
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safc
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10 Jul 2018 18:22 |
1861 Census 2 Records found Piece: RG9/3767 Place: N Bishop-Wearmouth -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 6 Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth Ecclesiastical Parish: Bishop Wearmouth Folio: 22 Page: 44 Schedule: 267 Address: 2 Waterworks Road
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks HOSPON Tamar Head W F 48 Seamstress Co. Durham - Sunderland HOPSON Richard White Son - M 15 Labourer Co. Durham - Sunderland
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10 Jul 2018 18:18 |
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james should read tamar
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2, Waterworks Road West Side, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Hooper Head Widow Female 48 1813 Seamstress Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Richard White Hooper Son - Male 15 1846 Labourer Sunderland, Durham, England
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alviegal
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10 Jul 2018 17:54 |
This is where that address comes from.
England Deaths and Burials 1538-1991 Transcription Print Add to tree First name(s) Tamar Last name Hodgson Gender Male Marital status Unknown Occupation - Event year 1870 Birth year 1813 Age at death 57y Death place England Burial year 1870 Burial date 12 Apr 1870 Burial place Durham County Cemetery Bishopwearmouth Parish Street address 18 Water Works Road Place Bishop-Wearmouth
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10 Jul 2018 17:33 |
Details of Nicholas who died in 1858 in India from looking at the image from British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription
Nicholas died of chronic dysentry. He was a seaman on the ship 'Arethusa.' He was buried in the Military Burial Grounds of Fort William in Calcutta.
Where are his and Tamar's children in 1841? It is only the 2 of them in the census record?
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Marian
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10 Jul 2018 16:03 |
Thanks Argyll, and Maddie
I can imagine Nicholas dying of dysentry or maybe he was caught in the aftermath of the Indian mutiny, who knows.
I also don't know what to make of Charlotte's daughter's name although John Pickering is Tamar's brother but still doesn't explain why they would give Tamar's married name to their daughter.
Going back to the 1851 and 1861 census addresses posted by Mike, none of the sites I have access to allows the address to be put in. I seem to recall FMP let you search by address. Is this facility still available? If so, could either of you try it (if you have subs) - thank you.
It looks as though Richard White Hodgson eventually dies in the workhouse in Sunderland in 1913.
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ArgyllGran
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10 Jul 2018 11:56 |
Just for the record - the death related to the tree info posted by MargaretM:
Nicholas Hodgson in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948 Name: Nicholas Hodgson Gender: Male Age: 42 Birth Date: 1816 Death Date: 21 Apr 1858 Burial Date: 22 Apr 1858 Burial Place: Fort William, Bengal, India FHL Film Number: 498996
In 1841 Nicholas is a coachman. Maybe he moved on from that to engines, and maybe was in India in connection with railways ??
The 1850's were a time of great railway expansion in India, and Richard White was involved with railways..
http://www.victorianweb.org/technology/railways/india/introduction.html
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10 Jul 2018 11:13 |
this is tamar jr birth --- not sure what to make of it, seems to be unrelated TAMER HODGSON Last name PICKERING Birth year 1860 Birth quarter 2 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Tongs --------------- District Sunderland County Durham Country England Volume 10A Page 451 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Births Collections from Great Britain, England
First name(s) JOHN Last name PICKERING Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1840 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ JOHN PICKERING married one of these people Jane Sharp, Isabella Richardson, Susannah Ash, Charlotte Tongs District Sunderland District number - County Durham Country England Volume 24 Volume as transcribed 24 Page number 285
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 23, Burleigh Street, Sunderland, Durham, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Pickering Head Married Male 42 1819 Shipwright Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Charlotte Pickering Wife Married Female 40 1821 - Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Mary Pickering Daughter - Female 19 1842 - Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Sarah Pickering Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 - Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription John Pickering Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Shipwright Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Richard Pickering Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Charlotte Pickering Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Roger Pickering Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Sunderland, Durham, England Transcription Tamar Pickering Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Sunderland, Durham, England -----------------------------
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2018 21:52 |
Richard White, Esq, Thorney Lodge, Sunderland, was on the Provisional Committee for the Newcastle, Durham and Lancashire Junction Railway Company.
https://tinyurl.com/y92wky2h
His brother Andrew was first Mayor of Sunderland, and Richard was also Mayor in 1840.
https://northeastlore.com/category/sunderland/
Scroll down to the final article, headed "First Mayor of Sunderland". Richard is also mentioned.
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Marian
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9 Jul 2018 19:42 |
Thank you all, I wonder what Nicholas was doing in India. He maybe called his son after his employer, Richard White. I've only got family search and the search criteria for the census isn't very good, doesn't seem to work when I put a postal address in (unless I'm not very good and am missing something). I am going to google Richard White to see what it brings up.
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