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9 Jul 2018 15:00 |
Many thanks to you all Hubby is now HOOKED as well ;-)
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9 Jul 2018 00:06 |
I found this baptism for a Maria Egginton daur of a Thomas Egginton in Birmingham c1820 (as per her 1851 census entry)
Name: Maria Egginton Age: 1 Birth Date: 8 Jan 1819 Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1820 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Philip Father: Thomas Egginton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Elizabeth Egginton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Father a jeweller, which matches with the marriage register entry.
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8 Jul 2018 23:39 |
More detail on the marriage of Richard Bacon to second wife Maria Eggington:
First name(s) Richard Last name Bacon Age 32 Birth year 1817 Marriage year 1849 Marriage date 15 Oct 1849 Marriage place Wolverhampton, St Mary Denomination Anglican Residence St Peters Row Father's first name(s) Richard Father's last name Bacon Spouse's first name(s) Maria Spouse's last name Egginton Spouse's age 30 Spouse's residence St Peters Row Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's father's last name Egginton County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D1157/3/1/9 Page 7 Register type Marriage
Note we now have the name of Richard's father, another Richard Bacon.
Richard is described as a widower, a white metal smith, of St Peter's Row, and his father Richard is described as a shoemaker - so he is probably one of the cordwainers (cordwainer is an old word for a shoemaker) mentioned in the two possible baptisms I posted for Richard earlier, but no way of telling which one...
Maria is a spinster aged 30 of St Peter's Row, her father Thomas Eggington is described as a jeweller. The witnesses were Joseph Cotton and Mary Ann Cotton.
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8 Jul 2018 23:25 |
A possible death for the first wife of Richard Bacon, Maria nee Heely?
BACON, MARIA 28 GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 231M Second marriage of Richard Baker to Maria Eggington (parents of John Bacon, grandparents of Florence Elizabeth)
Marriages Dec 1849 Bacon Richard Wolverhampton 17 491 Egginton Maria Wolverhampton 17 491
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8 Jul 2018 23:23 |
Going back to Richard and Maria Bacon (Florence Elizabeth's grandparents) , I wonder if Richard were married to more than one Maria?
In census 1851 there is a large gap between son Richard born 1838, and son Thomas born c1850.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Court New Town Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Richard Bacon Head Married Male 36 1815 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Maria Bacon Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Richard Bacon Son - Male 13 1838 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Thomas Bacon Son - Male 1 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
I went back to the GRO to look for births for the baptisms on children of Richard and a Maria that I posted earlier:
BACON, THOMAS EGGINTON GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 293
BACON, WILLIAM EGGINTON GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 245
BACON, MARY EGGINTON GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 253
The birth of John?
BACON, JOHN EGGINTON GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 293
BACON, SARAH MARIA EGGINTON GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 274
Yet Richard born 1838 is mother named Heely, so I guess that Maria died and Richard then married and bred with Maria Egginton.
BACON, RICHARD HEELEY GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in ASTON Volume 16 Page 153
So I believe John Bacon's parents were Richard Bacon and Maria Eggington
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8 Jul 2018 21:26 |
Thank you all so much for all this info Hubby's over the moon never really knew much about his mother's side .....He does now. thanks again Val PS hope I can help you all one day
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8 Jul 2018 20:54 |
Going back to Florence Elizabeth's Whittingham grandparents, Richard and Elizabeth .
This seems to be their son Richard jr's birth:
WHITTINGHAM, RICHARD WESTON GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 363
and this is their daughter Alice's:
WHITTINGHAM, ALICE WESTON GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 42
so it looks like Elizabeth Whittingham, Florence Elizabeth Bacon's grandmother, was nee Elizabeth Weston.
There is indeed a marriage of an Elizabeth Weston and Richard Whittingham:
First name(s) Richard Last name Whittingham Age Full Age Marriage year 1844 Marriage date 02 Jun 1844 Marriage place Wolverhampton, St Peter Denomination Anglican Residence Wolverhampton Father's first name(s) R Father's last name Whittingham Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Weston Spouse's age Full Age Spouse's residence Wolverhampton Spouse's father's first name(s) J Spouse's father's last name Weston County Staffordshire Country England
Both bride and groom are of full age. Richard is a mill maker, of Wolverhampton, son of R. Whittingham, a spring maker. The bride is also of Wolverhampton, daur of J Weston, a locksmith.
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8 Jul 2018 20:43 |
Unfortunately there are two possible baptisms at least, c1815 in Birmingham, , for Richard Bacon, Florence Elizabeth's grandfather:
Name: Richard Bacon Baptism Date: 6 Dec 1814 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Martin Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Elizabeth Bacon
Father a cordwainer
or this one two days earlier:
Name: Richard Bacon Age: 0 Birth Date: 4 Dec 1814 Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1815 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Philip Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Mary Bacon
Father is also a cordwainer.
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8 Jul 2018 20:28 |
It looks like Richard and Maria's daughter Mary might have married a Richard Whittingham, possible related to the Alice Whittingham that brother John Bacon married, the parents of Florence Elizabeth?
Marriages Dec 1877 Bacon Mary Birmingham 6d 379 <<<<<<<<<< Hutt William Robert Birmingham 6d 379 Preston Mary Jane Birmingham 6d 379 WHITTINGHAM Richard Birmingham 6d 379<<<<<<<<<<<<
??? Census 1871:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Oxford Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Richard Whittingham Head - Male 52 1819 - Staffordshire, England Elizabeth Whittingham Wife - Female 48 1823 - Staffordshire, England Richard Whittingham Son - Male 15 1856 - Staffordshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<< Alice Whittingham Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Staffordshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<< Charles H Whittingham Son - Male 3 1868 - Warwickshire, England
if the above is correct, with the Whittinghams born in Staffordshire, then Richard Whittingham is Alice Whittingham's father as well as Richard jr's.
Richard and Mery (nee Bacon) Whittingham in census 1881, with her brother John, as yet unmarried to Alice, staying with them.
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
16, Westley Street, Dudley (Worcs), Dudley, Worcestershire & Staffordshire, England
Richard Whittingham Head Married Male 25 1856 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Safe Maker (Iron) >>>>>Mary Whittingham Wife Married Female 24 1857 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England ; Elizabeth Mary Whittingham Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Smethwick, Warwickshire, England - Fred John Whittingham Son Single Male 0 1881 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England - >>>>>>>>>>>>>John Bacon Boarder Single Male 23 1858 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Safe Maker (Iron)
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8 Jul 2018 20:15 |
More baptisms for children of Richard and Maria
Name: William Bacon Age: 0 Birth Date: 21 Aug 1854 Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1854 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Maria Bacon
Father a spoonmaker
Name: Mary Bacon Age: 0 Birth Date: 20 Sep 1856 Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1856 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St George Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Maria Bacon
Father a spoon maker
Name: John Bacon*********************** Age: 0 Birth Date: 24 Mar 1858 Baptism Date: 11 Apr 1858 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Maria Bacon
Father a spoon maker
Name: Sarah Maria Bacon Age: 0 Birth Date: 8 Jan 1861 Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1861 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Maria Bacon
Father a spoon maker
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8 Jul 2018 20:11 |
Baptisms for children of Maria and Richard Bacon, after the 1835 marriage:
Name: Richard Bacon Age: 1 Birth Date: 11 Jan 1836 Baptism Date: 27 Mar 1837 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Maria Bacon
Father a metalsmith
Name: John Richard Bacon Age: 0 Birth Date: 5 Jan 1843 Baptism Date: 6 Feb 1843 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Philip, Warwickshire, England Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Maria Bacon
Father a jeweller
Name: Thomas Bacon Baptism Date: 19 May 1850 Baptism Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England Father: Richard Bacon Mother: Maria Bacon
Father a spoon maker
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8 Jul 2018 20:06 |
????
The only marriage I can find in Birmingham for a Richard Bacon and Maria is to a Maria Heely, not Carr or Eggington as per the GRO birth refs I posted:
Name: Richard Bacon Gender: Male Marriage Date: 15 Mar 1835 Marriage Place: Harborne, St Peter, England Parish as it Appears: Harborne, St Peter Search Photos: Search for 'Harborne, St Peter' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse: Maria Huly
Maria is a spinster, Richard a Bachelor. Her name could be Huly or Heely.
I think this marriage is correct.
EDIT: See later posts. I believe Richard Bacon first married Maria Heely, and after her death, he married Maria Eggington (mother of most of his children including John Bacon).
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8 Jul 2018 20:00 |
Richard and Maria Bacon in 1851:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Court New Town Row, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Richard Bacon Head Married Male 36 1815 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Maria Bacon Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Richard Bacon Son - Male 13 1838 Spoon Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Thomas Bacon Son - Male 1 1850 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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8 Jul 2018 19:59 |
Charles Edward's parent's marriage
Name: Charles Carrill Gender: Male Age: 29 Birth Year: abt 1842 Marriage or Bann Date: 5 Nov 1871 Marriage Place: Garsington, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Garsington Spouse: Elizabeth Smith Fathers: William Carrill William Smith
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8 Jul 2018 19:58 |
Banbury agian Marriages Sep 1937 Bolton Arthur F Currill Banbury 3a 5493 Currill Gladys E Bolton Banbury 3a 5493
1939 register Bolton Household (3 People) 45 Harrisvilla South Street , Banbury R.D., Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation Gladys E Bolton 06 Feb 1916 Unpaid Domestic Duties Arthur F Bolton 26 Sep 1915 Cowman Peter John Bolton 10 Mar 1939 Under School Age
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8 Jul 2018 19:57 |
If he was registered with his first name, possible birth reg
CURRILL, EDWARD CHARLES mmn SMITH GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in WALLINGFORD Volume 02C Page 324
1891 Heath End, Coxs Lane, Newnham Murren, Wallingford, Oxfordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Edward C Currill Head Married Male 49 1842 Garsington, Oxon Shepherd Elizabeth Currill Wife Married Female 45 1846 Gasington, Oxon Alice E Currill Daughter Single Female 19 1872 Garsington, Oxfordshire, England General Domestic Servant Mary Currill Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Chipping Hersh, England - Mark Currill Son Single Male 13 1878 Chalgrove, Oxon Carter Boy Harriet E Currill Daughter - Female 10 1881 South Stoke Scholar Laura L Currill Daughter - Female 7 1884 South Stoke Scholar Susan E Currill Daughter - Female 5 1886 South Stoke Edward C Currill Son - Male 3 1888 South Stoke
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8 Jul 2018 19:56 |
1911 Name: Charles Edward Burrill [Charles Edward Currill] Age in 1911: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Boarder Birth Place: Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Wokingham Without Search Photos: Search for 'Wokingham Without' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street address: Pikes Farm Cottages, Nr Wokingham, Berkshire Marital Status: Single Occupation: Under Cowman On Farm Registration district: Wokingham Registration District Number: 122 Sub-registration district: Wokingham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 81 Piece: 6616 Household Members: Name Age William Charles Larner 33 Emily Mary Larner 29 Thomas Charles Larner 5 Emily Sophia Lousia Larner 3 Charles Edward Burrill 23
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8 Jul 2018 19:54 |
,looks like edward b was married by 1939
Currill Household (2 People) 2 Astrop Wells , Brackley R.D., Northamptonshire, England Add to tree View original image Print First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation Edward B Currill 09 Jun 1913 Cowman Mary A R L Currill 16 Feb 1910 Domestic Servant
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8 Jul 2018 19:54 |
1939 Currill Household Banbury R.D., Oxfordshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) BIRTH YEAR Florence E Currill 1889 Charles E Currill 1888 and 2 more people are on this record 2 more people who are officially closed
Name: Charles E Currill Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 23 Jan 1888 Residence Year: 1939 Address: Old Paper Mill Cottages Residence Place: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England Occupation: Cowman Schedule Number: 210 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: DZBI Registration district: 158/2 Inferred Spouse: Florence E Currill Inferred Children: Phyllis Currill Margaret L Currill Household Members: Name Charles E Currill Florence E Currill This record is officially closed. Phyllis Currill Margaret L Currill
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8 Jul 2018 19:50 |
John Bacon in census 1861 with his parents, Florence's grandparents?
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Fox and Dogs, Holt Street, Aston, Warwickshire, England
Richard Bacon Head Married Male 46 1815 Retail Brewer And Spoon Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Maria Bacon Wife Married Female 42 1819 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Elizabeth Bacon Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England William Bacon Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England Mary Bacon Daughter - Female 4 1857 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England John Bacon Son - Male 3 1858 Scholar Acton, Warwickshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<
POssible birth of John in Aston. Mother maiden name: Eggington
BACON, JOHN EGGINTON GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 293 Order
or could be this one?
BACON, JOHN EVANS CARR GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 69 Order
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