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Henry Thornton Linford - Travel and Migration

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June

June Report 3 Jul 2018 08:41

I'm not sure but it appears to have gone from New York to Avonmouth in Bristol in 1927

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Jul 2018 22:38

Yes, you're right, Sylvia.

Having looked again at the image, I see it's a list of seamen, although there's no rank given for Henry.

He seems to be on a list of three British men, separate from the main list.

The main list is headed "List or Manifest of Aliens employed on the Vessel as Seamen.", and all the men on it have ranks/jobs listed.

The page where Henry is listed is divided into sections. The two top sections' titles are missing - unfortunately Henry's in one of those. The two bottom sections are "Discharged Seamen" and "Seamen left in Hospital".

The front page of the document is "Statement of Master of Vessel regarding Changes in Crew Prior to Departure".
It states:
Total crew at time of arrival (in NY) - 33.
Number of seamen discharged - nil.
Number of seamen signed on at this port - 3 [maybe that's the list Henry's on ? ]
Number of seamen deserted - 2.
Seamen left in hospital or died - 1.
Total crew this date - 33.

So that should mean that Henry signed on in NY, and went on somewhere else with the ship.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 2 Jul 2018 19:59

I did a bit of Google searching on the Lackawanna from the 1927 record that AG found.

I was intrigued at first by the fact that it had sailed from Manchester, which was more of a freighter port than one for passenger ships.

Sure enough, the Lackawanna appears to have been a freighter, and thus maybe that Henry was a crew member?????????

June

June Report 2 Jul 2018 18:15

we thought he could have been the missing family member to link family in New Zealand, UK and America.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jul 2018 14:41

What info do you have that makes you think he travelled to and from New Zealand?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jul 2018 14:40

Births Sep 1927 (>99%)
Osborne Gertrude W Brown Preston 8e 643

Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
Brown Ethel Osborne Bradford 9b 191
Osborne Samuel Brown Bradford 9b 191

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Jul 2018 14:36

Henry Linford
New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island)
Name Henry Linford
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 06 Oct 1921
Event Place Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States
Residence Place Preston, England
Gender Male
Age 17
Marital Status Single
Nationality Great Britain, English
Birth Year 1904
Departure Port Liverpool
Ship Name Carmania
Departure Contact Name Mr Linford
Departure Contact Name Relationship Father
Arrival Contact Name Miss Linford
Arrival Contact Name Relationship Sister
Page Number 49
Affiliate Line Number 0002

Name Henry T Linford
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1966
Registration District Amounderness
County Lancashire
Event Place Amounderness, Lancashire, England
Age (available after 1866) 62
Birth Year (Estimated) 1904
Volume 10B
Page 88
Line Number 76


1939

Linford Household (3 People)
11 Disraeli Street , Preston C.B., Lancashire, England


Henry T Linford 04 Dec 1904 Male Canvas Weaver - Cotton Mill Heavy Worker Married 101 1
Ethel Linford 08 Jun 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 101 2
Gertrude W White (Osborne) 10 Jun 1927 Female At School Single 101 3

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Jul 2018 22:43

He'd developed molecular transportation :-D

Seriously, it's possible that the relevant passenger or crew list have either

a) not survived
b) aren't available on the internet.

Transatlantic air travel had developed by the time he married. However, he doesn't seem to have had the financial status to travel that way. Not that many, if any, landing cards into the UK are available.

June

June Report 1 Jul 2018 21:26

Thanks for the research, much appreciated
He appears to have travelled to America in 1921 and 1926 but no return Information for either journey has been recorded , but he married in the uk in 1929 .

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Jul 2018 21:14

June .............

I said above that I could find no record of a return for him from ANY country

To clarify ............

I did a search on both Ancestry and FindMyPast, looking for Linford travelling 1931 +/- 10years.

No departure or arrival countries put. No date of birth. No first name or initial(s)

Nada ........... except for the departure in 1921


I also could not find the departure from the UK for the arrival in NY in 1927, and it was not on the Ellis Island site

June

June Report 1 Jul 2018 20:33

Is there a return journey ?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Jul 2018 20:19

could this be him going again later?


Henry Linford
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Henry Linford
Arrival date: 5 Mar 1926
Birth Date: abt 1904
Age: 22
Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English)
Port of Departure: Manchester, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Lackawanna

No further detail on the image.

June

June Report 1 Jul 2018 20:17

We know he went to America 1921 and he married in England in 1929 ,no record of him returning from America so did he move on from America to somewhere else before returning to England ?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Jul 2018 20:13

Henry Thornton Linford
in the Rhode Island, Indexes to Naturalization Records, 1890-1992
Name: Henry Thornton Linford
Record Type: Index to Declarations of Intention, 1906-1939

The image only says "Book 92, Page 227".

No date or other details.


EDIT:

Here's another one:

Henry Thornton Linford
in the Rhode Island, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1802-1945
Name: Henry Thornton Linford
Record Type: Declaration
Birth Date: 4 Dec 1903
Birth Place: Ince Wigan England
Arrival date: 15 Nov 1920
Arrival Place: New York, N. Y.
Declaration Number: 43727


EDIT again :

Oops, Det has already posted that.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 Jul 2018 18:56

I don't see any return for him from any country ..... with or without forenames!

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 1 Jul 2018 18:08

Unless his name had been badly transcribed, not seeing anything UK bound on Ancestry or Findmypast.

June

June Report 1 Jul 2018 17:58

Are there records of his return travel to England from America ??

Thanks for all the Information supplied.

malyon

malyon Report 1 Jul 2018 16:55

Henry Thornton Linford
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Henry Thornton Linford
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Preston, East Preston, Lancashire, England
County: Lancashire
Parish: Preston
Sub-District: East Preston
Registration District: Preston
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Occupation: AT SCHOOL
Birth Year (Estimated): 1904
Birthplace: Preston, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Line: 4
Page: 1
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Christopher Linford Head Male 39 Preston, Lancashire
Isabella Linford Wife Female 35 Preston, Lancashire
Teresa Elenor Linford Daughter Female 14 Preston, Lancashire
Henry Thornton Linford Son Male 7 Preston, Lancashire
Ruth Linford Daughter Female 6 Preston, Lancashire
Isobell Linford Daughter Female 2 Preston, Lancashire

malyon

malyon Report 1 Jul 2018 16:53

Henry T Linford
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name: Henry T Linford
Event Type: Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year: 1929
Registration District: Preston
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Preston, Lancashire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Osborne
Volume: 8E
Page: 1173
Line Number: 102

malyon

malyon Report 1 Jul 2018 16:50

Henry T Linford
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Henry T Linford
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1966
Registration District: Amounderness
County: Lancashire
Event Place: Amounderness, Lancashire, England
Age (available after 1866): 62
Birth Year (Estimated): 1904
Volume: 10B
Page: 88
Line Number: 76