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3 Jul 2018 08:41 |
I'm not sure but it appears to have gone from New York to Avonmouth in Bristol in 1927
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2 Jul 2018 22:38 |
Yes, you're right, Sylvia.
Having looked again at the image, I see it's a list of seamen, although there's no rank given for Henry.
He seems to be on a list of three British men, separate from the main list.
The main list is headed "List or Manifest of Aliens employed on the Vessel as Seamen.", and all the men on it have ranks/jobs listed.
The page where Henry is listed is divided into sections. The two top sections' titles are missing - unfortunately Henry's in one of those. The two bottom sections are "Discharged Seamen" and "Seamen left in Hospital".
The front page of the document is "Statement of Master of Vessel regarding Changes in Crew Prior to Departure". It states: Total crew at time of arrival (in NY) - 33. Number of seamen discharged - nil. Number of seamen signed on at this port - 3 [maybe that's the list Henry's on ? ] Number of seamen deserted - 2. Seamen left in hospital or died - 1. Total crew this date - 33.
So that should mean that Henry signed on in NY, and went on somewhere else with the ship.
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2 Jul 2018 19:59 |
I did a bit of Google searching on the Lackawanna from the 1927 record that AG found.
I was intrigued at first by the fact that it had sailed from Manchester, which was more of a freighter port than one for passenger ships.
Sure enough, the Lackawanna appears to have been a freighter, and thus maybe that Henry was a crew member?????????
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June
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2 Jul 2018 18:15 |
we thought he could have been the missing family member to link family in New Zealand, UK and America.
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2 Jul 2018 14:41 |
What info do you have that makes you think he travelled to and from New Zealand?
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2 Jul 2018 14:40 |
Births Sep 1927 (>99%) Osborne Gertrude W Brown Preston 8e 643
Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%) Brown Ethel Osborne Bradford 9b 191 Osborne Samuel Brown Bradford 9b 191
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2 Jul 2018 14:36 |
Henry Linford New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island) Name Henry Linford Event Type Immigration Event Date 06 Oct 1921 Event Place Ellis Island, New York City, New York, United States Residence Place Preston, England Gender Male Age 17 Marital Status Single Nationality Great Britain, English Birth Year 1904 Departure Port Liverpool Ship Name Carmania Departure Contact Name Mr Linford Departure Contact Name Relationship Father Arrival Contact Name Miss Linford Arrival Contact Name Relationship Sister Page Number 49 Affiliate Line Number 0002
Name Henry T Linford Event Type Death Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year 1966 Registration District Amounderness County Lancashire Event Place Amounderness, Lancashire, England Age (available after 1866) 62 Birth Year (Estimated) 1904 Volume 10B Page 88 Line Number 76
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Linford Household (3 People) 11 Disraeli Street , Preston C.B., Lancashire, England
Henry T Linford 04 Dec 1904 Male Canvas Weaver - Cotton Mill Heavy Worker Married 101 1 Ethel Linford 08 Jun 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 101 2 Gertrude W White (Osborne) 10 Jun 1927 Female At School Single 101 3
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1 Jul 2018 22:43 |
He'd developed molecular transportation :-D
Seriously, it's possible that the relevant passenger or crew list have either
a) not survived b) aren't available on the internet.
Transatlantic air travel had developed by the time he married. However, he doesn't seem to have had the financial status to travel that way. Not that many, if any, landing cards into the UK are available.
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1 Jul 2018 21:26 |
Thanks for the research, much appreciated He appears to have travelled to America in 1921 and 1926 but no return Information for either journey has been recorded , but he married in the uk in 1929 .
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SylviaInCanada
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1 Jul 2018 21:14 |
June .............
I said above that I could find no record of a return for him from ANY country
To clarify ............
I did a search on both Ancestry and FindMyPast, looking for Linford travelling 1931 +/- 10years.
No departure or arrival countries put. No date of birth. No first name or initial(s)
Nada ........... except for the departure in 1921
I also could not find the departure from the UK for the arrival in NY in 1927, and it was not on the Ellis Island site
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June
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1 Jul 2018 20:33 |
Is there a return journey ?
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jul 2018 20:19 |
could this be him going again later?
Henry Linford in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name: Henry Linford Arrival date: 5 Mar 1926 Birth Date: abt 1904 Age: 22 Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English) Port of Departure: Manchester, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Lackawanna
No further detail on the image.
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June
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1 Jul 2018 20:17 |
We know he went to America 1921 and he married in England in 1929 ,no record of him returning from America so did he move on from America to somewhere else before returning to England ?
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jul 2018 20:13 |
Henry Thornton Linford in the Rhode Island, Indexes to Naturalization Records, 1890-1992 Name: Henry Thornton Linford Record Type: Index to Declarations of Intention, 1906-1939
The image only says "Book 92, Page 227".
No date or other details.
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Here's another one:
Henry Thornton Linford in the Rhode Island, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1802-1945 Name: Henry Thornton Linford Record Type: Declaration Birth Date: 4 Dec 1903 Birth Place: Ince Wigan England Arrival date: 15 Nov 1920 Arrival Place: New York, N. Y. Declaration Number: 43727
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Oops, Det has already posted that.
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SylviaInCanada
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1 Jul 2018 18:56 |
I don't see any return for him from any country ..... with or without forenames!
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1 Jul 2018 18:08 |
Unless his name had been badly transcribed, not seeing anything UK bound on Ancestry or Findmypast.
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June
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1 Jul 2018 17:58 |
Are there records of his return travel to England from America ??
Thanks for all the Information supplied.
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malyon
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1 Jul 2018 16:55 |
Henry Thornton Linford England and Wales Census, 1911 Name: Henry Thornton Linford Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Event Place: Preston, East Preston, Lancashire, England County: Lancashire Parish: Preston Sub-District: East Preston Registration District: Preston Gender: Male Age: 7 Occupation: AT SCHOOL Birth Year (Estimated): 1904 Birthplace: Preston, Lancashire Relationship to Head of Household: Son Line: 4 Page: 1 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Christopher Linford Head Male 39 Preston, Lancashire Isabella Linford Wife Female 35 Preston, Lancashire Teresa Elenor Linford Daughter Female 14 Preston, Lancashire Henry Thornton Linford Son Male 7 Preston, Lancashire Ruth Linford Daughter Female 6 Preston, Lancashire Isobell Linford Daughter Female 2 Preston, Lancashire
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malyon
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1 Jul 2018 16:53 |
Henry T Linford England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005 Name: Henry T Linford Event Type: Marriage Registration Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration Year: 1929 Registration District: Preston County: Lancashire Event Place: Preston, Lancashire, England Spouse Name (available after 1911): Osborne Volume: 8E Page: 1173 Line Number: 102
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malyon
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1 Jul 2018 16:50 |
Henry T Linford England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007 Name: Henry T Linford Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1966 Registration District: Amounderness County: Lancashire Event Place: Amounderness, Lancashire, England Age (available after 1866): 62 Birth Year (Estimated): 1904 Volume: 10B Page: 88 Line Number: 76
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