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Thank you all so much, Fran is now a happy bunny and I have a whole raft of stuff to put on the tree.. God Bless All. D.

Baptisms for Robert's possible half siblings, mother Mary Perrin.


Baptism: 3 Jul 1895 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
Annie Powell - [Child] of James Powell & Mary
Born: 14 May 1895
Abode: 2 Brewery St.
Occupation: Matress Maker
Baptised by: J.T. Thompson-Jones
Source: LDS Film 1408728


Baptism: 29 Mar 1899 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
Alfred Powell - [Child] of James Powell & Mary
Born: 30 Jan 1899
Abode: 6 Mottram St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: J.T. Thompson-Jones
Source: LDS Film 1408728


and Robert and first wife Ada's children. Both Robert and his possible father, James, stayed at Mottram Street at different times so there does seem to be some connection.


Baptism: 30 Sep 1908 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
James Powell - [Child] of Robert Powell & Ada
Born: 25 Aug 1908
Abode: 39 King Street
Occupation: Clogger
Baptised by: E. Price
Source: LDS Film 1408728


Baptism: 16 Sep 1914 St Stephen, Salford, Lancashire, England
Ada Mary Powell - [Child] of Robert Powell & Ada
Born: 3 Sep 1914
Abode: 32 Mottram St.
Occupation: Clogger
Baptised by: H. Bardsley
Source: LDS Film 1408728

OK You lovely people, just had my wife Frances, down to my study[aka the 3rd bedroom] and after a struggle [for both of us] to figure out the jargon we happily conclude that you are ALL right. Never thought I would get back to her great grandfather in less than 6 hours. You guys are amazing. Now I have to get this lot on the tree.. God Bless.

No. Kelsell is the mothers maiden name

Barton is the area

Think its full name is Barton on Irwell

It's part of the Salford area

Barton-upon-Irwell (also known as Barton-on-Irwell or Barton) is a suburban area of Salford, Greater Manchester, England, with a population of 12,462 in 2014.[1]

Hi it is a bit difficult with information coming through thick and fast! :-D Take time to go through it slowly when you have time.

The births all have a mother's maiden name as Kelsall, district Barton (upon Irwell). I have posted the marriage underneath. This was from http://www.lan-opc.org.uk.

The 1939 register has Joan Barrett (Powell). Yes you are correct with Barrett being her married name.

Correction Aviegal & Rootgatherer,posted before I read new info. It seems you are both on the right track. Maybe I'm suffering from information overload again as I do on this site. You lot are too fast for me. lol

Alviegal & Rootgatherer, both wrong threads I think, at the moment that is. But thank you anyway.

Malycon , I will check on familysearch, thank you. enough here to keep me busy all night[ when not watching the World Cup that is.]

OK, Here goes; 40 Walker Rd is correct,I have been to the house.
The births are all OK, Having nothing else to check them by but 99% is great by me.
What does the Kelsall Barton mean, is that the district where Eccles falls?
Robert John was, according to Fran, a shoeMAKER by trade but he did repairs as well. He made her clogs & shoes. We still have his last!
Items like Joan Barrett[Powell], is Barrett her married name?
Than you again for your help
M

I don't think he was born in wales

I posted him with his wife Ada on the 1911 census and he states born Salford

Lancashire for all the records is very consistent

View England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Robert Powell
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: abt 1886
Registration Date: Mar 1954
Registration district: Barton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 348

Wonder if this is Robert's parents in 1911. His marriage says his father, James is a joiner. Same area that Robert is in in 1911.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
105 Sussex St Broughton Salford, Broughton, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
James Powell Head Married Male 50 1861 Boldton Lanchire Joiner To Spring Mattre Maker
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Mary Powell Wife Married Female 41 1870 Hale Cheshire -
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Esther Powell Daughter Single Female 26 1885 Hale Cheshire Braider
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Thomas Powell Son Single Male 21 1890 Salford Lanchire Labourer
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Annie Powell Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Salford Lanchire Dress Making Aprentice
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Alfred Powell Son Single Male 12 1899 Salford Lanchire School


with a son called Robert b 1885. He's not born in N Wales though.



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17, Mottram Street, Salford, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
James Powell Head Married Male 40 1861 Bolton, Lancashire, England Timber Yard Labourer
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Mary Powell Wife Married Female 32 1869 Hale, Cheshire, England -
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Mary Powell Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Salford, Lancashire, England Clock Weaver
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Robert Powell Son Single Male 16 1885 Salford, Lancashire, England Labourer
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Esther H Perrin Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Hale, Cheshire, England -
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Thomas Powell Son - Male 10 1891 Salford, Lancashire, England -
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Annie Powell Daughter - Female 5 1896 Salford, Lancashire, England -
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Alfred Powell Son - Male 2 1899 Salford, Lancashire, England -



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Evans Street, Salford, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Caroline Owen Head Widow Female 60 1831 Salford Living On Own Means
James Powell Son In Law Married Male 31 1860 Bolton Labourer
Mary Powell Daughter Married Female 31 1860 Salford
Mary Powell Daughter Single Female 8 1883 - Scholar
Robert Powell Son Single Male 6 1885 - Scholar
Thomas Powell Son Single Male 1 1890 - -


James' 2nd marriage.


Marriage: 3 Oct 1892 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
James Powell - 32, Spring Mattress Maker, Widower, 1 Hart Street
Mary Perrin - 23, Spinster, 18 Barlow's Road
Groom's Father: Henry Powell, Screw & Bolt Maker
Bride's Father: John Perrin, Labourer
Witness: John Perrin; Jane Perrin
Married by Banns by: William Cole
Register: Marriages 1892 - 1895, Page 22, Entry 43
Source: LDS Film 1786369


and his first.

Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
HURST Charlotte Salford 8d 162
MURPHY Thomas Salford 8d 162
>>OWENS Mary Salford 8d 162
>>POWELL James Salford 8d 162



Robert's birth.

POWELL, ROBERT OWENS Order
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 82

Two more children born

Births Dec 1911
Powell William Wild Salford 8d 208

Births Dec 1914
Powell Ada M Wild Salford 8d 158

Both children died

Williams death already posted

Deaths Jun 1915
Powell Ada M 0 Salford 8d 166

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Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
Powell Ada M Wild Salford 8d 158

Deaths Jun 1915 (>99%)
Powell Ada M 0 Salford 8d 166

View Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915
Name: James Powell
Age: 0
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1908
Baptism Date: 30 Sep 1908
Baptism Place: Salford, St Stephen, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: S Stephen
Search Photos: Search for 'Salford, St Stephen' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Robert Powell
Mother: Ada Powell
Reference Number: L192
Item Number: 7
Archive Roll: 958

Deaths Mar 1912
Powell William 0 Salford 8d 149

Name: Robert Powell
Age: 0
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1907
Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1907
Baptism Place: Manchester, St John, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St John
Search Photos: Search for 'Manchester, St John' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: Robert Powell occ clogger
Mother: Ada Powell
Reference Number: GB127.M403/6/2/10


View England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Robert Powell
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1907
Registration Date: Mar 1977
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 1357

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
28, Durham Street, Salford, Lancashire, England

William Wilde Head Married Male 40 1861 Salford, Lancashire, England Labourer "at Making Up"
Mary Wilde Wife Married Female 28 1873 Salford, Lancashire, England -
Ada Wilde Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Salford, Lancashire, England Hooker In Warehouse
Mary E Wilde Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Salford, Lancashire, England Hooker In Print Works
Willie Wilde Son - Male 13 1888 Salford, Lancashire, England -
Abram Wilde Son - Male 9 1892 Salford, Lancashire, England -
Lilian Wilde Daughter - Female 6 1895 Salford, Lancashire, England -
Sarah A Terry Sister Single Female 21 1880 Manchester, Lancashire, England Tailoress

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
POWELL, JAMES WILD Order
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 121 Order
POWELL, WILLIAM WILD Order
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in SALFORD Volume 08D Page 208 Order

Marriages Dec 1906
POWELL Robert Salford 8d 144
Wilde Ada Salford 8d 144