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Henry John Palmer married Elizabeth Ann Elmes 11/11/1908 in Finsbury (father Jonathon) .On the marriage certificate he says he is a widower of 40 years.Please can anyone find him or Elizabeth Ann in 1911.
They were both still alive in 1939 and living in Barnet

1939 for ref

Name: Henry J Palmer
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1862
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 68,
Residence Place: Friern Barnet, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Retired
Schedule Number: 160
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: BHAP
Registration district: 131/3
Inferred Spouse: Elizabeth A Palmer
Household Members:
Name
Henry J Palmer
Elizabeth A Palmer

A possible?


Name: Maud Elizebeth Palmer
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Witton, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 128 Highbury Hill, Highbury, London N
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Estimated Marriage Year: 1909
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Highbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 989
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry John Palmer 45
Maud Elizebeth Palmer 28
Albert William Palmer 18
Daisey Palmer 16
Annie Elmes 22

Andy

Hi Andy you're a genius Maud was her pet name.Thanks so much.
Wendy

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Name: Henry John Palmer
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 40
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1868
Marriage Date: 11 Nov 1908
Marriage Place: All Saints, East Finchley, Barnet, England
Father: Jonathan Palmer
Spouse: Elizabeth Ann Elmes
Register Type: Parish Register

Henry is a Widower and a Motor Car Proprietor
Father Jonathan Palmer deceased a Refreshment house Proprietor

Elizabeth aged 25. Father James John Elmes a contractor

Both of 38 Durham (or Dunham) Road, Finchley

Witnesses - William John Palmer and Herbert E Church

So, could William John be a brother - (or possibly a son from first marriage)

Possible another child

PALMER, STANLEY LEONARD ELMES Order
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 314

Andy

is this a son
Name: Stanley Leonard Palmer
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 Apr 1911
Baptism Place: Christ Church, Highbury Grove, Islington, England
Father: Henry John Palmer
Mother: Elizabeth Palmer

1939
Name: Stanley Leonard Palmer
Year: 1939
County or Borough: Finchley
Ward or Division/Constituency: Friern Barnet
Street address: 68
with parents as you posted

68 ashurst road n12

Is this Henry john in 1891 - original shows born St Pancras as per 1911. He is in Clerkenwell where Albert and Daisy are said to have been born c 1893 and 1895.

Father Jonathan is shown to be a Refreshment House keeper (deceased) on the 1905 marriage record.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Goswell Road, Clerkenwell, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry J Palmer Head Married Male 27 1864 London, Middlesex, England Refreshment House Keeper
Clara D McRae Lodger Married Female 29 1862 Hoxton, London, Middlesex, England -
Bertram H Farcy Servant Single Male 1 1890 Suffolk, England Shop Man House Keeper
William McRae Servant Single Male 15 1876 London, Middlesex, England Shop Man House Keeper

Could he be married to the Lodger !!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Bysouth Theresa Jane Islington 1b 568
McRae Clara Dyson Islington 1b 568
PALMER Henry John Islington 1b 568
Spencer John Robert Islington 1b 568

Thank You all,this info is a great help
Wendy

? Clara 1881 - a bit older than on the 1891 census and recorded also as McRae

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
190, Caledonian Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Searle Head Married Male 41 1840 Bloomsbury, Middlesex, England Eating House Keeper
Jane Searle Wife Married Female 40 1841 Boston, Lincolnshire, England -
George E Searle Son Single Male 13 1868 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Scholar
Albert W Searle Son Single Male 10 1871 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Scholar
Edith J Searle Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Ernest H Searle Son Single Male 7 1874 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Elizabeth C Searle Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Annie L Searle Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Kate F Searle Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Islington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Minnie Searle Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Islington, Middlesex, England -
Lizzie Searle Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Islington, Middlesex, England -
Clare L Quested Niece Single Female 19 1862 Hackney, Middlesex, England -
Clara D McRae Servant Single Female 23 1858 Hoxton, Middlesex, England Shop Assistant (Is) <<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah A Walker Servant Single Female 18 1863 Isleworth, Middlesex, England Domestic Servant

??Births and ? deaths

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PALMER, JOHN HENRY MCCRAE Order
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 681

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
PALMER, JOHN HENRY 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 372

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

PALMER, HENRY ALBERT WILLIAM MCKRAE Order
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 672

PALMER, CLARA AMELIA MCRAE Order
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 346 <<<<<< ??? Daisy

Clara's death

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) CLARA DYSON
Last name PALMER
Birth year 1860
Age 47
Death quarter 1
Death year 1907
District Lambeth
County London
Volume 1D
Page 165

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
79, Lower Marsh, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry J Palmer Head Married Male 38 1863 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Refreshments Shop Keeper (Stenedeels Etc)
Clara Palmer Wife Married Female 41 1860 Hoxton, Middlesex, England -
Henry A W Palmer Son Single Male 9 1892 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England -
Clara A Palmer Daughter Single Female 7 1894 Lambeth, Surrey, England -
Bertram Flory Son Single Male 29 1872 Bramford, Suffolk, England Refreshments Shop Keeper Assistant
Edith T Brett Son Single Female 21 1880 Enfield, Middlesex, England General Domestic

Bertram is not a Son - original shows Serv for Servant !

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

MCRAE, CLARA DYSON DYSON Order
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 169

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1855 (>99%)
DYSON Martha Ruth Islington 1b 270
HYMNS Amelia Islington 1b 270
McRae William Islington 1b 270
PITCHFORD Robert Islington 1b 270

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
?? siblings to Clara

MCRAE, WILLIAM ROBERT RODERICK DYSON Order
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 556 Order

MCRAE, CHARLES FREDERICK DYSON Order
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in CLERKENWELL Volume 01B Page 598 Order

MCRAE, HENRY ROBERT DYSON Order
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 66

OK - so i think this is Henry J Palmer a stepson to Charles Edwards who is a Refreshment House Keeper

Note surname of visitor Sarah Coe and name of brother William J (witness name when he married Elizabeth Elves)

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Euston Road, Pancras, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Edwards Head - Male 29 1842 - Suffolk, England
Amelia Edwards Wife - Female 35 1836 - Middlesex, England
Amelia J Palmer Daughter-In-Law - Female 9 1862 - Middlesex, England Transcription
Henry J Palmer Son-In-Law - Male 8 1863 - Middlesex, England
William J Palmer Son-In-Law - Male 6 1865 - Middlesex, England
Ann Coe Visitor - Female 65 1806 - Wiltshire, England
Sarah Coe Servant - Female 29 1842 - Middlesex, England
James Edwards Brother - Male 21 1850 - Suffolk, England

Name: Jonathan Palmer
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 12 Aug 1860
Marriage Place: Parish Chapel, St Pancras, Camden, England
Father: John Palmer
Spouse: Amelia Maria Ann Coe
Register Type: Parish Register

Both of full age

Jonathan - an Eating House Keeper of 88 Euston Road
Father - John Palmer also an Eating House Keeper

Amelia of same address. Father Henry Coe a colour Maker

Witnesses - Henry and Sarah Coe

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Name: Amelia Maria Ann Palmer
[Amelia Maria Ann Coe]
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Oct 1868
Marriage Place: St Anne, Limehouse, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Henry Coe
Spouse: Charles Edwards

Both of full age
Charles a Tailor at this point Of Salmon Lane.
Father Edward Edwards a Harness Maker

Amelia a Widow (Spinster written in - initially I think) of Same address.
Father Henry Coe a Colour Maker

witnesses - difficult to read - one has surname Coe

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
88, Euston Road, Pancras Wards, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jonathan Palmer Head Married Male 26 1835 Eating House Keeper Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Emelia M Palmer Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Middlesex, England
Harriett Wood Servant Widow Female 43 1818 House Servant Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

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Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:

PALMER, JONATHAN 30
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 61

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
PALMER, AMELIA JANE COE Order
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 82

PALMER, HENRY JOHN COE Order
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 114

PALMER, WILLIAM JONATHAN COE Order
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 93