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14 Jun 2018 11:32 |
Maud Ada Harding [married name] was born in 1861+/- in London. Her only daughter was the second wife of my GGGrandfather.
I can see her in 1901 [incorrect name transcription], got the divorce entry from her husband William Daniel Harding, etc., but cannot see her in 1911 nor her death.
Please can you help?
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ErikaH
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14 Jun 2018 11:36 |
For info
Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
Davies Maud Ada Lewisham 1d 1226 HARDING William Daniel Lewisham 1d 1226
Have you tried looking under her maiden anme?
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Maddie
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14 Jun 2018 11:39 |
do the nephews ring a bell 1911
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 71 Uplands Road Stroud Green Hornsey N, Hornsey, Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Maud Harding Head Single Female 49 1862 Brixton Surrey - Transcription Urban Collings Nephew Single Male 28 1883 Sedgeley Staff Advertising Agent Transcription Clement Harry Collings Nephew Single Male 27 1884 Woodsetton Staff Bank Clerk Transcription
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14 Jun 2018 11:43 |
The nephews ring no bells.
I will try to see if she reverted to her maiden name but this seems unlikely since she is still using her married name of Harding in 1901 despite a very messy divorce!
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ErikaH
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14 Jun 2018 11:43 |
Again for info
Name: Mana A Harding Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: London, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: St John and St Margaret Search Photos: Search for 'St John and St Margaret' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St Margaret and St John ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 95 Folio: 131 Page Number: 31 Household schedule number: 237 Household Members: Name Age Mana A Harding 40 Robert R Hervey 71 Dorothy M Hervey 21 Mary Austin 43 Alice Neal 20
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ErikaH
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14 Jun 2018 11:44 |
????????
Name: Ada Harding Death Age: 62 Birth Date: abt 1860 Registration Date: Jun 1922 Registration district: Lambeth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 384
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Nicola'S
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14 Jun 2018 11:50 |
Thank you so far. I think that the possible death isn't her - she and her only daughter were very close and I don't think it possible that she would have registered her mother's name incorrectly.
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greyghost
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14 Jun 2018 11:53 |
Is this your family in 1881
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Lenham Lodge, Lee, Lewisham, London & Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Harding Head Married Male 29 1852 London, Middlesex, England Surveyor Maud Harding Wife Married Female 22 1859 London, Middlesex, England - Dorothy Harding Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Lee, Kent, England - Anna Norman Servant Single Female 23 1858 Nunhead, Somerset, England Genl Servt Mary Pipe Servant Single Female 15 1866 Lee, Kent, England Nursemaid Florence Braindon Visitor Single Female 22 1859 Chiswick, Middlesex, England Annuitant
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: HARDING, DOROTHY MAUD DAVIES Order GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION Volume 01D Page 1099
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2018 11:55 |
Apparently born 1858 - earlier than Nicola suggests:
Births Mar 1858 (>99%) Davies Maud Ada Islington 1b 206
Doesn't seem to help the search for her in 1911, however!
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greyghost
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14 Jun 2018 11:59 |
Trying to track ages given and areas living
? Dorothy with Grandparents in 1891
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription The Cottage, Dacre Park, Lee, Lewisham, London & Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Edward Davies Head Married Male 52 1839 Middlesex, England Secretary To A Public Co Julia Davies Wife Married Female 53 1838 Middlesex, England Pianist Gerald Davies Son Single Male 30 1861 Middlesex, England Clerk At Herolds Coll Dorothy Harding Granddaughter Single Female 11 1880 Kent, England Scholar Harriett Bowdidge Servant Single Female 24 1867 Kent, England Cook Domestic Servant Beatrice Eeles Servant Single Female 17 1874 Kent, England Housemaid
and is this Maud -
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Carlisle Mansions, Carlisle Place, Westminster, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Maud Harding - Married Female 29 1862 London, Middlesex, England - Mary Austin Servant Single Female 32 1859 Kent, England Maid
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greyghost
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14 Jun 2018 12:03 |
And is this them living together in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Carlisle Mansions, 29, Carlisle Place, St Margaret and St John, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Maud A Harding Head Married Female 40 1861 London, Middlesex, England Living On Own Means Robert K Harvey Son-In-Law Married Male 71 1830 Wigan, Lancashire, England Retired Barrister Dorothy M Harvey Daughter Married Female 21 1880 Lee, Kent, England Living On Own Means Mary Austin Servant Single Female 43 1858 Erith, Kent, England Cook Domestic Alice Neal Servant Single Female 20 1881 London, Middlesex, England Housemaid Domestic
-------- First name(s) ROBERT KIBBLE Last name HERVEY Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1898 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ ROBERT KIBBLE HERVEY married Dorothy Maud Harding District St. George Hanover Square District number - County London Country England Volume 1A Volume as transcribed 1A Page number 732 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837
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Nicola'S
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14 Jun 2018 12:03 |
Big yesses to all your suggestions. As you can see, a curious background but we know that it is all correct. :-)
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Maddie
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14 Jun 2018 12:16 |
???
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-196
Name: Maude Ada Harding Year: 1905 County or Borough: Westminster Ward or Division/Constituency: City of Westminster Street address: 29 Carlisle mansions
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Nicola'S
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14 Jun 2018 12:18 |
Oooh, that looks like a positive! I'm afraid that I don't understand the 'Web' reference you've given and how do I find/source the actual Death Certificate please?
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2018 12:27 |
Do you mean the 1922 possible death posted by Erika?
You would have to buy a copy of the death cert from GRO website, using the reference numbers given in Erika's post.
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Maddie
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14 Jun 2018 12:28 |
sorry must have crossed paths, deleted the death record as it related to a child who was born and died in 1905
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2018 12:33 |
She's not with her daughter Dorothy in 1911 - Dorothy had remarried.
Dorothy Maud Hawken in the 1911 England Census Name: Dorothy Maud Hawken Age in 1911: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Blackheath, Kent Civil Parish: Cornworthy County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: The Vicarage, Cornworthy, Totnes, Devon Marital Status: Married Years Married: 5 Estimated Marriage Year: 1906 Registration district: Totnes Registration District Number: 273 Sub-registration district: Harberton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 12852 Household Members: Name Age Charles Sydney Hawken 49 Dorothy Maud Hawken 31 Gwendolen Francis Hawken 17 Gerald Humphrey Hawken 15 Bessie Glanvill 33 Beatrice Jane Lorey 16 William Sheldon 35 Ellen Sheldon 38 Barbara Penelope Hawken 1 Ninian John Patrick Hawken 0
Dorothy Maud Hervey in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Dorothy Maud Hervey Registration Year: 1906 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: St George Hanover Square Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 709 Records on Page: Name Charles Sydney Hawken Dorothy Maud Hervey
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greyghost
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14 Jun 2018 12:43 |
An Ancestry tree has Robert Hervey died 1904 in Switzerland. Dorothy remarried. The tree shows her in Cornwall with family in 1911. Could Maud have ventured in that direction if they were as close as you say?
If Mother and daughter were close, could Maud also have died abroad whilst travelling?
England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
First name(s) DOROTHY MAUD Last name HERVET Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1906 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ DOROTHY MAUD HERVET married one of these people Richard Winch, Charles Sydney Hawken District St. George Hanover Square District number - County London Country England Volume 1A Volume as transcribed 1A Page number 709
-------------- 1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription The Vicarage Cornworthy Totnes, Cornworthy, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Charles Sydney Hawken Head Married Male 49 1862 Tamerton Foliott Devon Clerk In Holy Orders Vicar Cornworthy Transcription Dorothy Maud Hawken Wife Married Female 31 1880 Blackheath Kent - Gwendolen Francis Hawken Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Bodalla New South Wales Resident - Gerald Humphrey Hawken Son Single Male 15 1896 Bodalla New South Wales Resident - Bessie Glanvill Monthly Nurse Single Female 33 1878 Clapham London Certificated Midwife Beatrice Jane Lorey Servant Single Female 16 1895 Ugborough Devon Nurse Maid William Sheldon Servant Married Male 35 1876 Plymouth Devon Groom Gas Dealer And Army Pensioner Ellen Sheldon Servant Married Female 38 1873 Renzance Cornwall Cook General Barbara Penelope Hawken Daughter - Female 1 1910 Cornworthy Devon - Vivian John Patrick Hawken Son - Male 0 1911 Cornworthy Devon -
HAWKEN, NINIAN JOHN PATRICK HARDING Order GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in TOTNES Volume 05B Page 148
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Maddie
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14 Jun 2018 12:44 |
a tree on ancestry has nothing for after 1901
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ArgyllGran
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14 Jun 2018 12:56 |
Just because I came across it, though irrelevant to this search -
you said Dorothy was her only daughter - but could this have been another, who died in infancy??
HARDING, RUTH mms DAVIES GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1078
HARDING, RUTH 0 GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 672
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