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Hi Genes members I am wondering if anyone here is in My Heritage or Ancestry.com as they have information that I am after I will copy and paste the info I got off the net so it makes it easier.


Benjamin Challinger was born in 1813, at birth place, to John Challinger and Phoebe Challinger (born Clayton).
John was born on July 25 1790, in Darton, All Saints, Yorkshire, England.
Phoebe was born in 1795, in Brotherton, Leeds, Yorkshire, England.
Benjamin had 6 siblings: Twin Challinger, Charles Challinger and 4 other siblings.
Benjamin married Mary Ann Challinger (born Rowbottom).
Mary was born on January 17 1811, in Sheffield, Yorkshire, England.
They had one son: Samuel Challinger.
Benjamin married Isabella Mutyuli Rigney (born Sumner).
Isabella was born circa 1856, in Ngarrindjeri land, Coorong, South Australia Died in 1925 - Point Mcleay / Raukkan, South Australia See Rigney Family Genealogy From The S.A. Museum.
Benjamin lived in 1841, at address.
He lived in 1851, at address.
His occupations were occupation and occupation.
Benjamin passed away on month day 1895, at age 82 at death place.
He was buried at burial place.


This is the info on the net I need the marriage dates and the six siblings for Benjamin born 1813 also any birth dates for Samuel Challinger. There is also a document I cant seem to get up without joining My Heritage any help would be appreciated.
Jill

From free to use site - https://www.familysearch.org

Miles Challenger
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 25 December 1818 DARTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Challenger
mother: Phoebe

Phoebe Challenger
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 30 July 1820 DARTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Challenger
mother: Phoebe

Ann Challenger
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 25 December 1818 DARTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: John Challenger
mother: Phoebe


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Jonathan Challenger
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 10 June 1810 DARTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: Jonathan Challenger

Elizabeth Challenger
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 5 March 1812 DARTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: Jonathan Challenger

Mary Challenger
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 6 September 1807 DARTON, YORK, ENGLAND
father: Jonathan Challenger

According to this census Phoebe was born 1777

It also suggests that Benjamin and Mary had more than 1 child

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
44, Trippet Lane, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Phoebe Challenger Head Widow Female 74 1777 Shoe Dealer Brotherton, Yorkshire, England
Benjamin Challenger Son Married Male 39 1812 Shoe Maker Yorkshire, England
M Challenger Daughter Married Female 40 1811 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
V Challenger Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
S Challenger Daughter - Female 14 1837 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
S Challenger Son - Male 10 1841 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
M Challenger Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
J Challenger Son - Male 3 1848 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Benjamin Challenger Son - Male 0 1851 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

V on original probably a P

Benjamin 0 on transcript is aged 7 months on original

Below from this site - https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro - free, need to register

Gives mmn from 1837 - 1917 (freebmd and commercial sites only start with mmn from late 1911) and age at death from 1837-1957 (ditto only from c 1866)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:

CHALLENGER, BENJAMIN JOHNSON ROWBOTHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 646 Order

CHALLENGER, JAMES ROWBOTHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 671

Note possible other spellings of surnames

CHALINGER, MARY ROWBOTTOM Order
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 623 Order

CHALENGER, SAMUEL ROWBOTTOM Order
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 601

CHALLANGER, NANCY ROWBOTTOM Order
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 621

Thanks for the info i will have a good read many thanks Greyghost
Jill

1841 census ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 for anyone over 15, so Phoebe could be aged 60 - 64, so born 1777-1781

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castle Green, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Phoebe Challenger Female 60 1781 Yorkshire, England
John Challenger Male 7 1834 Yorkshire, England
Charles Challenger Male 18 1823 Yorkshire, England

Charles is a Grinder

Benjamin also at Castle Green in 1841. He's a Cordwainer (Shoe maker)

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Castle Green, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Benjamin Challenger Male 25 1816 Yorkshire, England
Mary Challenger Female 25 1816 Yorkshire, England
Phoebe Challenger Female 8 1833 Yorkshire, England
Sarah Challenger Female 4 1837 Yorkshire, England
Mary Challenger Female 2 1839 Yorkshire, England
Thomas Wilkes Male 50 1791 -
Thomas Marsh Male 20 1821 -
Maria Marsh Female 20 1821 -
Thomas Smith Male 40 1801 Scotland
Mary Smith Female 40 1801 Scotland
Colin Gunn Male 20 1821 Scotland

Darton is a village in the Barnsley borough

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Duke Lane, Sheffield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Miles Challinger Head Married Male 34 1817 Grinder Barnsley, Yorkshire, England
Eliza Challinger Wife Married Female 32 1819 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
John Challinger Son - Male 9 1842 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Morgan Challinger Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Miles Challinger Son - Male 4 1847 - Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Thanks for the extra info i will make a cuppa and have a read
Jill

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
CHALLINGER, PHOEBE 75 Order
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 212


an Ancestry tree has young Phoebe's death as 1840 - so this one?

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
CHALENGER, PHOEBE 21 Order
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 387

Name Benjamin Chalinger
Spouse's Name Mary Rowbottom
Event Date 16 Jul 1832
Event Place Rotherham,York,England

Citing this Record "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch

West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 (Ancestry tree)

Name John Challanger
Event Type Marriage
Marriage Date 27 May 1810
Marriage Place Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Parish Leeds, St Peter
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map 13120
Spouse Phoebe Clayton

Original - John Challenger of this Parish a Farmer and Phobe Clayton of this Parish a Spinster both made their mark

Witnesses Robert Ingham and Ann Ingham both made their mark

Got to go - should have been out by now !!

Thanks Greyghost
Jill

Could this be Benjamin's baptism? John and Phoebe were married in Leeds according to marriage posted above.


Pontefract District Baptisms Transcription


First name(s) BENJAMIN
Last name CHALENGER
Birth year 1814
Baptism year 1814
Baptism day 31
Baptism month Oct
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Phebe
Residence Kippax
Church St Mary
Place KIPPAX
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Occupation Labourer
Notes Twin
Checked Y


and his death.



South Australia Deaths 1842-1972 Transcription
Print Add to tree
First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Challinger
Gender Male
Status Not recorded
Birth year 1813
Death year 1895
Death date 04 Jul 1895
Age at death 82y
Residence Melrose
Place Melrose
District Frome
State South Australia
Country Australia


and this would be his twin brother.


First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name CHALENGER
Birth year 1814
Baptism year 1814
Baptism day 31
Baptism month Oct
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Phebe
Residence Kippax
Church St Mary
Place KIPPAX
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Occupation Labourer
Notes Twin
Checked Y


not finding a Charles born to this couple but here are the other 3 children already posted by greyghost.


Phoebe
Last name Challenger
Baptism year 1820
Birth year 1819
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Darton
Mother's first name(s) Phoebe
Father's first name(s) John
Birth date 24 Nov 1819
Baptism date 30 Jul 1820

John was a weaver, abode was Broadzoyd ? Head.


Ann
Last name Challenger
Baptism year 1818
Birth year 1818
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Darton
Mother's first name(s) Phoebe
Father's first name(s) John
Birth date 17 Apr 1818
Baptism date 25 Dec 1818

and baptised on the same day.


Miles
Last name Challenger
Baptism year 1818
Birth year 1816
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Darton
Mother's first name(s) Phoebe
Father's first name(s) John
Birth date 07 Jul 1816
Baptism date 25 Dec 1818


The 3 other births posted by greyghost with father, Jonathan, are incorrect as he was married to Elizabeth.


EDIT Possibly another child?


First name(s) John
Last name Challenger
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1812
Baptism date 25 Oct 1812
Place Kippax
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Challenger
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -

Yorkshire Baptisms

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Challenger
Birth date 02 Oct 1841
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
---------------------------------------

First name(s) Phoebe
Last name Challenger
Birth date 05 Jan 1833
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Phoebe married Robert Airey in 1851, and John Mason in 1868 (Sheffield)
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First name(s) Sarah
Last name Challenger
Birth date 01 Apr 1837
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
----------------------------------------------

First name(s) Albert
Last name Challenger
Birth date 01 Dec 1843
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Birth: CHALLANGER, ALBERT (Mother's maiden name: ROWBOTHAM )
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 585

(albert died 1845)
------------------------------------------

First name(s) Nancy
Last name Challinger
Birth date 26 Nov 1845
Baptism date 21 Dec 1845
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (shoemaker)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

(Nancy married Thomas Michael Berry in 1864 SA)
----------------------------------

CHALLENGER, JAMES (mother's maiden name: ROWBOTHAM)
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 671

James married Harriet James in 1871 SA
-------------------------------------

CHALLENGER, BENJAMIN JOHNSON (mother's maiden name: ROWBOTHAM)
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 646 Order

Benjamin married Mary Jane Burke in 1878 SA

It could well be thanks for that info i will do some research many thanks.
Jill

South Australian Register
Fri 14 Jul 1865

MARRIAGES:
CHALLINGER-BACON.-On the 6th July, at
Spring Farm, Mount Remarkable Special Survey,
by licence, by the Rev. T. Nowell Twopeny, M. A.,
Mr. Samel Challinger, eldest son of Mr. Benjamin
Challinger, of Melrose,and formerly of Sheffield,
Yorkshire, to Anne, second daughter of Mr. Henry
Bacon, of Spring Farm aforesaid, and formerly of
Walton, near Glastonbury, Somersethire, England
-------------------------------

Quorn Mercury
Fri 12 Jul 1895

MELROSE
Mr Benjamin Chaliinger, sen., an old
resident, died at the residence of his daughter.
Mrs. Longhurst, from senile decay on the 4tli
inst. at the age of 82, having lived in Melrose
since 1859. He was a native of Yorkshire,
and at one time was largely engaged in the
boot trade at Sheffield, owning business
establishments in Gibraltar-street, West Bar,
and Change Alley in that town, and employing
200 men aud 70 women. He managed,
however, to get involved iu litigation about
the infringement of the Patent Act and sustained
severe losses iu damages and law costs.
He therefore disposed of his business and
emigrated iu 1851 with his wife and family
by tlie ship Ibemia to Victoria, and in 1852
arrived in this colony by the steamer Ilavelock.
He was one of twins, and his brother,
who was a soldier, died only about seven years
ago. His wife died some years ago. lie
leaves three sons, three daughters, 36 grandchildren,
aud 24 great-grandchildren. His
funeral, which was largely attended, took
place on the 5th, the Rev. C. H. Young
officiating.

If this is Isabella's death it doesn't look like she married Benjamin:

First name(s) Isabella
Last name Rigney
Gender Female
Status Married
Birth year 1858
Death date 22 Apr 1925
Age at death 67y
Residence Yalkuri Station
Place Yalkuri Station
District Wellington
State South Australia
Country Australia

Death of Benjamin's wife:

South Australian Register
Fri 20 Sep 1878

DEATH.
CHALLENGER.— On tho 30th August, at Melrose:
Mary Challenger, wife of Benjamin Challenger, native
of Sheffield. Yorkshire. English papers please copy.

Fabulous description of Samuel's life, and a great photo attached: https://trove.nla.gov.au/

The Register (Adelaide, SA)
Sat 20 Oct 1923

AN OLD NORTHERN IDENTITY.
Mr. Samuel Challenger.
One of the most widely known and highly
esteemed residents ot the north, now - livlnsgin
retirement at Melrose, is Mr. Samuel Challen
ger, who has been closely identified with the
town and district- since 1866. . This fine -old
colonist was born in Sheffield in 1841. His
father, Mr. Benjamin Challenger, was a boot
maker in the homeland, but the call of Aus
tralia made such an appeal to him that he
embarked from Liverpool on the ship Hibernic,
and landed at Melbourne in 1852. After about
12 months in Victoria, the family removed to
South Austalia. Mr Samuel' Challenger's
first occupation in this State was that of bul
lock driving for Mr. George Yates of Hack
ham. Then he joined his father in the boot
making trade, and afterwards removed to
Auburn, where he worked on the farms of Messrs.
John Place and Brown ' Brothers. He after
wards branched out on his own account with
a team of bullocks, in carting ore from the
Bum copper mines to Port Wakefield, taking
coal as back loading. The family -decided to
go north to Port Augusta. On arrival at
Crystal Brook with their teams, with the in
tention, of proceeding to the head of the gulf
by the route west of the Flinders Range in-
formation of scarcity of water caused them to
turn aside and pass through the Booyoolie Es
tate, and the sites of the present towns of Laura
and Wirrabara to Mount Remarkable. Drought
conditions in the far north made him turn his
attention to the lower north, and for some time
he utilized his team in carting from Canowie
Station to Port Wakefield. and in taking slabs
and logs to the Burra Mine. In I865 he mar
ried Miss Ann Bacon (daughter of Mr Henrv
Bacon, of Spring Farm, Melrose) who 'was one
of the earliest of south Australia's colonists).
Mr. Challenger took up land in the Melrose
district from the late Hon. J. H. Angus. and
commenced farming: and although advancing
vears have compelled him to cease active par
ticipation to famiing, grazing-, or pastoral pur
suits, he still retains his interest in these ope
rations. He has alwavs had the welfare of
the town and district at heart. As Councillor
for Woniryarra Ward, in the district Council
of Port Germein, of which body he was Chair
man for several turns,- he rendered good ser
vice to the town and district -of Melrose. He
has held official positions in practically all the
organizations of the town, and was for many
years President of the ' Frome Jockey CIub,
and was the first President of the 'Mount Re
markable Agricultural Society. ' Mr. Challenger
is a foundation member of the Mount Remark
able Masonic Lodge, having joined the order aa
a member of the Areas (Laura) Lodge. His
wife died a few years ago.. Two of his sons,
Messrs. F. Challenger and H. E. Challenger,
reside in the same district. The former is a
farmer, and the latter is licencee- of the North
Star Hotel, Melrose. ... -