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trying to tie up some loose ends:-

It looks as though this may Ann's marriage:-

Name: Ann Quine
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1883
Marriage Date: 14 Jul 1902
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas Quine
Spouse: Peter Rogers
FHL Film Number: 93942
Reference ID: no281 p141
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This couple in 1911
Name: Annie Rogers
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 107a Park St
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 22231
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Rogers 30 - b.1881 Liverpool
Annie Rogers 27
Margaret Rogers 52 - Mother boarder
Joseph Rogers 8
Peter Rogers 5
Annie Rogers 7

.........which would mean that neither Ann or Thomas Jnr were married in 1901 census.

Catherine found that one already - he was 38 at death, so presumably he's the son - maybe that's who you mean.


QUINE, THOMAS DANIEL 38
GRO Reference: 1919 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 197

Think I may have found Thomas Daniel death on LDS
10 Dec 1919 Toxteth Park Cemetery.

I may have to order this Cert as it has his full name :-D

ArgyllGran, yes I know. The death I posted, I believe, is the death of Thomas D. Jnr.

Order, or make enquiries, here:

https://www.gov.im/categories/births-deaths-and-marriages/order-copy-certificates/

Civil Registry
The Registries Building
Deemsters Walk
Bucks Road
Douglas
Isle of Man
IM1 3AR
Telephone:+44 1624 687039

To find his father's name you would need to get a copy of the couples marriage certificate. His name should be noted on that, plus his address at the time of the wedding and his father's and his own occupation, which should help to confirm which birth is correct.

It's Thomas Daniel senior (born c1850 Isle of Man) whose parents we don't know, Catherine.

Another version of the 1901 marriage

Name: Thomas Quine
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1881
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1901
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: Thomas Quine
Spouse: Elizabeth Dutton
FHL Film Number: 93942
Reference ID: no36 p18

.......shows father's name as Thomas

You are all pure stars. I do not think I will be able to be certain who Thomas Daniel parents are as Thomas Quine is a very common name on IOM. I will keep digging and try and find them on the 1901 also their deaths
Thanks again :-D

yes, I thought that must be their son.

I think there's a good chance that this is his death

Name: Thomas D Quine
Death Age: 38
Birth Date: abt 1881
Registration Date: Dec 1919
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 197
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Name: Thomas Daniel Quine
Death Date: 10 Dec 1919
Cemetery: Toxteth Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Toxteth, Metropolitan Borough of Liverpool, Merseyside, England
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Birth of the son Thomas (Thomas J in 1891 ):

QUINE, THOMAS DANIEL mms NEEN
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 279


Judging by the names, this is him in 1911:


Thomas D Quine
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas D Quine
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 44 Goring Street
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Scaler
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 22248
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas D Quine 29 - scaler, shipping
Elizabeth Ann Quine 28
Elenor Quine 8
John Thomas Quine 6
Daniel Quine 4
Herbert Quine 1

QUINE, HERBERT mms DUTTON
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 159


So Thomas junior was in Liverpool in 1901:

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
DUTTON Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 69
Quine Thomas Liverpool 8b 69

But can't see him in 1901.

Ann/Annie Isabella born 1883 married Peter Rogers 14/7/1902

Joseph Rogers dec Qtr 1902 V08b P98
Peter Rogers 1906 mum nee Quine V08b P239.

Maryb.

Maud's middle name is Eleanor so I think this is her and her husband in 1901

Name: Nellie Pickles
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Litherland
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Ecclesiastical parish: Litherland St Phillip
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: (of John) French Polisher

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Litherland
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3449
Folio: 203
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 11a
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thomson 31
Charlotte Thomson 30
Florence Thomson 4
John Pickles 22
Nellie Pickles 21

Hi Catherine
I cannot find any of them on the Census of 1901 even Maud who married in 1900 to a John Pickles!

It’s like the whole family have disappeared of the face of the earth, I have even tried with just first names
Kathy :-S

I've been looking at this one for Lily

Name: Lily Keluna
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
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Ecclesiastical parish: St Cleopas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 24 Dingle Lane
Occupation:
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 026
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3429
Folio: 137
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Lily Keluna 12

She's in a Girls industrial School

The name does look like Keluna but I've looked for a possible birth and can't see anything that looks like that name. I thought maybe the name may have been taken down incorrectly, but that's just my theory?

Yes, I found that one and I think it is most probably her, but can't find Thomas and isabella.

If he was an engineer he could have moved away from the area of course, maybe even to Scotland or back to the Isle of Man??

Maybe a possibility for Beatrice - if she swapped her names round ?? and the clerk mis-heard the surname ??

Margaret B Quinn
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Margaret B Quinn
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine Brixton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors:
Piece: 431
Folio: 90
Page Number: 35
Household schedule number: 247
Household Members:
Name Age
William J Sage 50
Clara Sage 46
Lily C Sage 20
Edith M Sage 19
Margaret B Quinn 15

Anyone found the family in 1901?

For Thomas there are other possibilities in 1861:-

Thomas Quine abt 1847 Onchan, Isle of Man Son Conchan
Parents:- John, Jane

Thomas Quine abt 1849 Onchan, Isle of Man Son Conchan
Parents:- Thomas, Ellenor

Thomas Quine abt 1849 Lonan, Isle of Man Son Lonan
Parents:- John, Elenor

Thomas Quine abt 1849 Malew, Isle of Man Son Malew
Parents:- William, Esther

..................but none are for a Thomas Daniel Quine, but as he did not marry under that name any of these could be him.

??? Purely because their marriage took place here - (Braddan):-

1851
Name: Thomas Quine
Age: 6 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Where born: Braddan, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Quine
Mother's name: Ann Quine
Gender: Male
Civil Parish or Township: Braddan
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man
Registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 2525
Folio: 459
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
William Quine 26
Ann Quine 27
William Quine 2
Thomas Quine 6 Mo
...........................................
Name: William Quine
Age: 21 Years
Birth Year: abt 1848
Burial Date: 3 Jul 1869
Burial Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Residence: B'menagh
Biography: 21 yrs
.........................................................

1861
Name: Thomas Quine
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Quine
Mother's name: Ann Quine
Gender: Male
Where born: Braddan, Isle of Man
Civil Parish or Township: Conchan
Country: Isle of Man
Registration district: Anglesey
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Piece: 4415
Folio: 44
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
William Quine 37
Ann Quine 38
Thomas Quine 10
Anna Quine 8
Margarett Quine 6
John Quine 4
Sarah Quine 2
Elizabeth I Quine 5 Months
...........................

Name: Ann Maddrell
Marriage Date: 20 May 1848
Marriage Place: Braddan, Isle of Man
Spouse: William Quine
Biography: Married: William Quine.
Groom's marital status: Bachelor.
Groom's father: not stated.
Bride's marital status: Spinster.
Bride's father: not stated. (MS09073/3/5part2)