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Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	30 May 2018 00:33
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	I'm trying to find the birth and parents of Jane Tonks. I have two birth dates, 1833 and 1838 ... I'm leaning towards the 1838. She married Richard Osborne in 1853 and her father was shown as Samuel, no idea of her mother. She was born in Staffordshire, possibly Walsall. Thanks.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 03:54
	This could be the registration for the Jane born 1838 TONKS, JANE mmn NICKLIN GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 223 Father is Saml (short for Samuel) on the 1841 Census .......... 1841 Census Name: Jane Tonks Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Gender: Female Where born: Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Walsall Hundred: South Offlow County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: The Borough Piece: 983 Book: 13 Folio: 8 Page Number: 10 Saml Tonks 30 b.ca 1811, Staffordshire, Bridle Cutter Ann Tonks 30 b.ca 1811, Staffordshire Henry Tonks 9 James Tonks 5 Jane Tonks 3 George Tonks 1 Address:- Stafford St
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 04:07
	Maybe Samuel married a second time 1851 Census Name: Jane Tonks Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Samuel Tonks Mother's name: Rheda Tonks Gender: Female Where born: Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 1f : Household schedule number: 260 Piece: 2023 Folio: 237 Page Number: 64 Samuel Tonks 42 b.ca 1809, Walsall, Bridle Cutter Rheda Tonks 38 b.ca 1813, Bloxwich Henry Tonks 19 b.ca 1832, Bloxwich, Brewer James Tonks 15 b.ca 1836, Bloxwich, Currier Jane Tonks 13 Emma Tonks 9 b.ca 1842, Bloxwich Eliza Tonks 7 b.ca 1844, Bloxwich John Tonks 5 b.ca 1846, Bloxwich William Tonks 1 Mo b.ca 1851, Bloxwich Address:- Green Lane I think this might be Ann Tonks' death TONKS, ANN 39 GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 239 There are two Williams registered in Walsall in 1850, and I haven't yet found a marriage to match one with Rheda (or Rhoda) .... TONKS, WILLIAM mmn BOND GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 287 TONKS, WILLIAM mmn GLOVER GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 247
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 04:25
	finally found the marriage! Marriages Sep 1848 (>99%) BOND Rhoda Walsall 17 270 Tonks Samuel Walsall 17 270 so the correct birth registration is ................... TONKS, WILLIAM mmn BOND GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 287 I can't find a record of a marriage to Ann, not baptisms for Jane
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Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 04:31
	?????????????????????? possibly Samuel's baptism????? England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name Samuel Tonks Gender Male Baptism Date 27 Jul 1808 Baptism Place Saint Matthew,Walsall,Stafford,England Father Samuel Tonks Mother Henrietta FHL Film Number 421612
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 04:48
	I haven't found the Jane born ca 1833 ..... but following through with Samuel Mistranscribed in 1861 on ancestry .......... 1861 Census Name: Samuel Louks Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rhoda Louks Gender: Male Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Bloxwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household schedule number: 71 Piece: 2014 Folio: 130 Page Number: 16 Samuel Louks 52 Victualler & Bridle Cutter employing 1 man & 1 boy Rhoda Louks 48 Henry Louks 29 Brewer Eliza Louks 17 John Louks 15 Currier William Louks 10 Scholar Mary Louks 5 Scholar Address:- 293 Green Lane 1871 Census Name: Samuel Tonks Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rhoda Tonks Gender: Male Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Walsall Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 72 Piece: 2960 Folio: 113 Page Number: 17 Samuel Tonks 62 Victualler & Maltster Rhoda Tonks 57 b.ca 1814, Bloxwich Henry Tonks 40 b.ca 1831, Walsall, Brewer William Tonks 20 b.ca 1851, Walsall, Saddler's Ironmonger Mary Tonks 15 b.ca 1856, Walsall, Barmaid Sarah Martin 26 General Servant George W C Mondon 28 Boarder Address:- 28 Ablewell St (the Royal Oak) 1881 Census Name: Samuel Tonks Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Rhoda Tonks Gender: Male Where born: Walsall, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Walsall Foreign County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 18 Station St Commercial Inn Marital Status: Married Occupation: Innkeeper Registration district: Walsall Sub registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Piece: 2829 Folio: 24 Page Number: 41 Samuel Tonks 72 Innkeeper Rhoda Tonks 67 Henry Tonks 49 Brewer Emma Ankrett 15 Domestic Servant
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	30 May 2018 05:02
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	You're brilliant Sylvia, thanks so much. The Green Street address definitely fits. I think I can probably forget about the 1833 birth date.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 05:02
	England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Samuel Tonks Death Date: 13 Aug 1882 Death Place: Staffordshire, England Probate Date: 11 Dec 1882 Registry: Lichfield from image:- Administration (with the Will) of the Personal Estate of Samuel Tonks late of 18 Station Street, Walsall in the County of Stafford, Licensed Victualler who died 13 August 1882 at 18 Station Street was granted in Lichfield to Rhoda Tonks of 18 Stattion Street, the Widow the Relict , the Universal Legatee for Life. Personal Estate:- £587 12s 7d Probate granted 1886 ........ England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Samuel Tonks Death Date: 13 Aug 1882 Death Place: Staffordshire, England Probate Date: 7 Aug 1886 Registry: Lichfield from image:- Administration (with the Will) of the Personal Estate of Samuel Tonks late of 18 Station Street, Walsall in the County of Stafford, Licensed Victualler who died 13 August 1882 at 18 Station Street left unadministered by Rhoda Tonks of 18 Stattion Street, the Widow the Relict , the Universal Legatee for Life was granted at Lichfield to James Tonks Currier and William Tonks Commercial Clerk, both of Goodall Street, Walsall, the Sons, two of the Residuary legatees substituted. Personal Estate:- £587 12s 7d England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995 Name: Rhoda Tonks Death Date: 9 May 1886 Death Place: Staffordshire, England Probate Date: 1 Sep 1886 Registry: Lichfield from image:- Administration of the Personal Estate of Rhoda Tonks late of 18 Station Street, Walsall, in the County of Stafford, Widow, who died 9 May 1886 at 18 Station Street was granted at Lichfield to William Tonks of 18 Commercial Street, Commercial Clerk, the Son and one of the Next of Kin Personal Estate:- £37 16s 8d
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 05:17
	Thanks Yvonne!! BTW ........... a Public Family Tree aid that Jane married twice. Just to confirm Ann's surname Jane Tonks 13 Emma Tonks 9 Eliza Tonks 7 b. John Tonks 5 b. TONKS, ELIZA mmn NICKLIN GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 269 TONKS, JOHN mmn NICKLEN GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 264 I can't find Emma's birth registration, but she was baptised (I haven't found baptisms for any of the others!) Staffordshire baptisms First name(s) Emma Last name Tonks Baptism year 1841 Baptism date 15 Dec 1841 Baptism place Walsall, St Peter Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) Samuel Mother's first name(s) Anne County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3862/1/1 Page 7 Register type Baptism Record set Staffordshire Baptisms Address:- Staff. St Occupation:- Bridle Cutter
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	30 May 2018 05:17
	I'm off to start getting ready for bed!!!
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 26,291 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	30 May 2018 10:19
	Just a thought - If Jane was born 1838 and married 1853, she was only 15 at marriage ?
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 11:12
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	If this is the family, then her age points to a birth year of 1838/9 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 305, Green Lane, Bloxwich, Walsall, Staffordshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard Osborne Head Married Male 32 1829 ...Harness Furniture Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England Jane Osborne Wife Married Female 22 1839 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Charles Osborne Son Unmarried Male 4 1857 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Emma Osborne Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Sidney Osborne Son - Male 0 1861 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England John Osborne Brother Unmarried Male 23 1838 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England ------------------- Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: OSBORNE, SAMUEL CHARLES TONKS Order GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 589 Order OSBOURN, EMMA TONKS Order ***note spelling GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 535 Order OSBORNE, SIDNEY TONKS Order GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 535 Order
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 11:16
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Talking of ages - she is consistent, but Richard has become a John and knocked 10 years off his age! EDIT - see later post 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Essex Street, Lower Court House, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Osborne Head - Male 33 1838 - Staffordshire, England Jane Osborne Wife - Female 33 1838 - Staffordshire, England Charles Osborne Son - Male 14 1857 - Staffordshire, England Emma Osborne Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Staffordshire, England Sydney Osborne Son - Male 10 1861 - Staffordshire, England John Osborne Son - Male 8 1863 - Staffordshire, England Ellen Jane Osborne Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Staffordshire, England William Osborne Son - Male 3 1868 - Warwickshire, England John is a Cart Gear Maker Jane a Whip Handle Coverer all b Walsall except William who is recorded as b Birmingham ---------------------------------- Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: OSBORNE, JOHN TONKS Order GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 558 OSBORNE, ELLEN JANE TONKS Order GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 654 OSBORNE, WILLIAM TONKS Order GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 85 Order
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 11:23
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	This record has Jane aged 20 at marriage !! England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription First name(s) Jane Last name Tonks Name note - Age 20 Marriage year 1853 Marriage date 17 May 1853 Marriage place Birmingham Father's first name(s) Samuel Father's last name Tonks Spouse's first name(s) Richard Spouse's last name Osborne Spouse's birth year 1829 Spouse's birth date 1829 Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel Spouse's father's last name Osborne
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 11:26
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription Print Add to tree First name(s) Jane Last name Tonks Gender Female Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1838 Baptism date 28 Jan 1838 Place Walsall County Staffordshire Country England Father's first name(s) Samuel Father's last name Tonks Mother's first name(s) Ann Mother's last name -
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 11:33
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	Name Samuel Tonks Spouse's Name Ann Nicklin Event Date 01 Oct 1830 Event Place St. Philip, Birmingham, Warwick, England Marital Status Single Spouse's Marital Status Single Citing this Record "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch ------------------------------------- Samuel Tonks England, Warwickshire, Parish Registers Name Samuel Tonks Event Type Marriage Event Date 01 Oct 1830 Event Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom Residence Place St Philip Birmingham Marital Status Single Spouse's Name Ann Nicklin Spouse's Residence Place St Philip Birmingham Spouse's Gender Female Spouse's Marital Status Single Citing this Record "England, Warwickshire, Parish Registers, 1535-1984," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/ Images not available on site - need to check at Family Search History Centre
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 11:52
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	This looks to be John Osborne - original says Unmarried rather than single, but occupation consistent with 1871 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 26, Long Street, Walsall Foreign, Walsall, Staffordshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Samuel Osborne Head Married Male 38 1843 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Brass Dresser Emma Osborne Wife Married Female 40 1841 Ludlow, Shropshire, England - William Edward Osborne Son Single Male 15 1866 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Silver Plater (Elec) Alfred Osborne Son Single Male 12 1869 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Scholar Caroline Osborne Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Scholar Walter James Osborne Son Single Male 7 1874 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Scholar Minnie Osborne Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Walsall, Staffordshire, England - Frank Osborne Son Single Male 2 1879 Walsall, Staffordshire, England - Ellen Osborne Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Walsall, Staffordshire, England - John Osbourne Brother Single Male 43 1838 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Cartgear Maker
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 11:55
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription First name(s) JANE Last name OSBORNE Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1870 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ JANE OSBORNE married one of these people John Osborne, Edward Robert Hudson District Birmingham District number - County Warwickshire Country England Volume 6D Volume as transcribed 6D Page number 77 ---------------------- England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription First name(s) RICHARD Last name OSBORNE Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1828 Age 39 Death quarter 2 Death year 1867 District Walsall County Staffordshire Volume 6B Page 367
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	greyghost	Report	30 May 2018 12:05
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 10,667 Send Message	?? Richard and John brothers and also Samuel who John is with in 1881 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Green Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Samuel Osburn Head Married Male 46 1805 Chain Maker E 5 Men Walsall, Staffordshire, England Louisa Osburn Wife - Female 36 1815 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Richard Osburn Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Coverd Funiture Manuf Walsall, Staffordshire, England Henry Osburn Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England William Osburn Son - Male 16 1835 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England John Osburn Son - Male 14 1837 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England Louisa Osburn Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Samuel Osburn Son - Male 8 1843 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England James Osburn Son - Male 6 1845 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Joseph Osburn Son - Male 4 1847 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Caroline Osburn Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	30 May 2018 16:20
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	Thanks everyone. I do have the info on Richard from an earlier post ... thanks to you wonderful genes detectives ... and yes, Jane did marry his brother John. I really don't know how you do it. Thanks ... I'll now go off to digest everything.

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