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Samuel is the father of Richard in my earlier thread, but I wanted to keep them separate.
In 1841 Samuel is shown with wife, Caroline, who I believe is Caroline Dewsbury and they married in 1826, and six children (Walsall, Staffordshire).
In 1851 Samuel is shown with wife, Louisa, same children with four added.
I thought maybe Caroline died but the only death I can find is in 1841 and I can't find a marriage for Samuel and Louisa.
Can anyone help?
Thanks.

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

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First name(s) SAMUEL
Last name OSBORNE
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1849
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ SAMUEL OSBORNE married one of these people
Louisa Josebury, Helina Lodi Maguire, Sarah Edens, Ann Restall
District Birmingham
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 16
Volume as transcribed 16
Page number 522
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

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Louisa Jodebury looks like a strong possibility ... so if that death in 1841 for Caroline is correct, then it looks like some of the children are Louisa's.
Thanks.

Just for reference as I don't recall your other thread.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Blue Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Osbourn Male 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
Caroline Osbourn Female 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
George Osbourn Male 14 1827 Staffordshire, England
Richard Osbourn Male 12 1829 Staffordshire, England
Henry Osbourn Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
William Osbourn Male 6 1835 Staffordshire, England
John Osbourn Male 4 1837 Staffordshire, England
Louisa Osbourn Female 2 1839 Staffordshire, England
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Birth of daughter Louisa:
OSBOURNE, LOUISA (mother's maiden name: TEWSBURY )
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 229
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Green Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Samuel Osburn Head Married Male 46 1805 Chain Maker E 5 Men Walsall, Staffordshire,
Louisa Osburn Wife - Female 36 1815 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Richard Osburn Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Coverd Funiture Manuf Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Henry Osburn Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England
William Osburn Son - Male 16 1835 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England
John Osburn Son - Male 14 1837 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Louisa Osburn Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Osburn Son - Male 8 1843 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
James Osburn Son - Male 6 1845 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Osburn Son - Male 4 1847 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Caroline Osburn Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Surname Dewsbury for younger children too- was Louisa Caroline's sister? Or a relative?

OSBOURNE, SAMUEL mmn: TEWS...
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 236

OSBOURNE, JAMES mmn: TEWSBURY
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 271

OSBOURNE, JOSEPH mmn: JEWSBURY
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 277

OSBORNE, CAROLINE mmn: DEWSBURY
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 275

Possible for Louisa in 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Park Street, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

W H Brooks Male 40 1801 Staffordshire, England
Jane Brooks Female 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
Henry C Brooks Male 11 1830 Staffordshire, England
Thomas Brooks Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
Mary Ann Brooks Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England
Jane Brooks Female 4 1837 Staffordshire, England
William Henry Brooks Male 1 1840 Staffordshire, England
Louisa Dewsbury Female 25 1816 Staffordshire, England
Susanh Hale Female 25 1816 Staffordshire, England

Marriage:
Name: Samuel Osborne (widower), Chain maker
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 7 Dec 1849
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Paul
Father: John Osborne (deceased) Curb? maker
Spouse: Louisa Josebury (spinster)
Spouse father: Richard Josebury, Stirup maker

Louisa's baptism:

First name(s) Louisa
Last name Joesbury
Gender Female
Baptism year 1815
Baptism date 18 Jun 1815
Place Walsall
County Staffordshire
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Joesbury
Mother's first name(s) Lucy
Mother's last name -
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Caroline's baptism:

First name(s) Coreline
Last name Joesbury
Gender Female
Baptism year 1807
Baptism date 01 Jan 1807
Place Walsall
County Staffordshire
Father's first name(s) Richard
Father's last name Joesbury
Mother's first name(s) Lucy
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So confirms that Caroline and Louisa were sisters.

Caroline's death in 1849:

OSBOURNE, CAROLINE age: 43
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 196

'Mornin AustinQ .

Would you believe I was just about to post all of the above which I had also worked out but was obviously too slow to type out this morning :-( ;-)

Off for a cup of coffee to wake me up.......................

Dea x

Samuel's Will is on FMP:

Staffordshire, Dioceses of Lichfield and Coventry wills
First name(s) Samuel
Last name Osbourn
Year 1856
Death date 15 Nov 1856
Will year 1856
Probate year 1856
Parish Walsall
County Staffordshire

...I give and bequeath unto Louisa Osbourn (formerly Louisa Dewsbury), spinster, sister of my late wife, Caroline Osbourn (deceased), All my household goods, monies, securities for maney, and other my personal estate effects whatsoever and wheresoever for her own use and benefit subject nevertheless to the maintenance and education of my two youngest children Joseph and James Osbourn until the youngest shall attain his age of 14 years.....
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No mention of youngest daughter Caroline (Samuel's daughter with Louisa) as she died in 1854:

OSBOURNE, CAROLINE age: 3
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 397

Dea! - great minds :)

Samuel referred to Louisa as a spinster in his Will- this is likely as his marriage to her would have been unlawful. Until 1907, the law stated that a man could not marry his deceased wife's sister.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/49722/65-year-battle-over-deceased-wifes-sisters-marriage-act

Louisa remarried in 1858:

name(s) William Palmer (widower)
Age 52
Birth year 1806
Marriage date 25 Jul 1858
Marriage place Bilston, St Leonard
Denomination Anglican
Residence Bilston
Father's name(s) Thomas Palmer
Spouse's name(s) Louisa Osborne (widow)
Spouse's age 41
Spouse's residence Bilston
Spouse's father's name(s) Richard Dewsbery (greengrocer)
County Staffordshire

You guys are amazing, I don't know how you find this stuff. I hadn't made the connection between Caroline and Louisa though I did think at the time that the names were similar - Dewsbury and Josebury ... duh. The only death I'd found for Caroline was in 1841 but I guess other spellings of the name make a difference. He did marry Louisa pretty quickly after Caroline's death though.

Thanks.

actually, most men back then remarried fairly quickly after their wives died .......

....... they usually had children that needed looking after.

And who better than a dead wife's sister, who often moved into the house to look after her nieces and nephews. It was convenient, except that it was unlawful.

I must admit that I have ancestors who re-married VERY quickly after the death of a wife, but none of mine married a sister-in-law.

Strange times back then!!
I have another question regarding Samuel that I hope someone can help me with.
I'm doing this research for a friend who has a tree done years ago by another family member. I've found a few things wrong on some branches and I think there may be another one on the Osborne/Osbourne line. On the old tree Samuel is shown as being born 4 Nov 1799 to parents James and Martha, in West Bromwich. I found the 4th Nov date was actually a baptism, but on the censuses his date of birth show him being born about 1806 but I can't find a birth or baptism around that year. Is the 1799 birth date likely?

Thanks.

This is the baptism you found?

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Samuel Osborn
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 Nov 1799
Baptism Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Father: James Osborn
Mother: Martha
FHL Film Number: 421617


Is it certain that James and Martha were the names of his parents?????


Samuel Osborne is such a common name that it is tempting to take the first one that you see.

It is possible that he wasn't sure how old he was, but 6-7 years out is a lot!


There is are several Public Family Tree on ancestry that has a baptism date of 25 March 1805, Walsall, parents John Edgar Osborne and Fanny Jane Stanton

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name Samuel Osborn
Gender Male
Baptism Date 25 Mar 1805
Baptism Place Saint Matthew,Walsall,Stafford,England
Father John Osborn
Mother Fanny
FHL Film Number 421612


That tree gave me the lead to this marriage, on Ancestry. It IS Osborne on the image, and father is JOHN ..............

Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

Name: Samuel Asborne
[Samuel Osborne]
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Marriage Date: 7 Dec 1849
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Paul
Search Photos: Search for 'Birmingham, St Paul' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: John Asborne
Spouse: Louisa Josebury

from the image ...........

Married after Banns

Samuel
Widower, Chain Maker
Father:- deceased, Curb Maker

Louisa
Spinster
Father:- Stirup Maker

Witnesses:- Richard Osborne (his mark) and Anne Aldridge (???spelling)

I think it should be Stirrup Maker for Louisa's father.


from the tree. Information MUST be checked!!!!!!!


Parents
John Edgar OSBORNE 1774–1847

Fanny Jane STANTOn 1779–1856

Siblings
Maria Osbourne 1803–

Henry Osbourne 1807–1855

Ann Osbourne 1809–

George Osbourne 1811–1884

James Osbourne 1817–

William Osbourne 1821–

James Osborne 1829–

Emma Osborne 1830–

Jane Osborne 1835–

Annie Jane Osborne


Half Siblings

Mary Jane Osborne
George Stephen Osborne
Gilbert George Osborne

I don't know whether you ahve this.

From FreeReg ...............

County Staffordshire
Place (with link) Walsall
Church name (with link) Stafford Street Centenary Wesleyan Methodist Chapel
Register type (with link) Unspecified
Register entry number 133
Birth date 04 Jan 1851
Baptism date 02 Feb 1851
Person forename Caroline
Person sex F
Father forename Samuel
Mother forename Louisa
Father surname OSBORNE
Transcribed by Jean Westwood
Credit Jean Westwood
File line number 133

Yvonne- that old tree is wrong as we know from Samuel's second marriage to Louisa that his father was John- a curb maker.

This is Samuel's parents in 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Windmill Prospect Row, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

John Osborne Male 67 1774 Staffordshire, Curb maker
Fanny Osborne Female 63 1778 Staffordshire, England
George Osborne Male 30 1811 Staffordshire, England
James Osborne Male 12 1829 Staffordshire, England
Emma Osborne Female 11 1830 Staffordshire, England
Jane Osborne Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England
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John's death:
OSBORNE, JOHN age: 72
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 198

Thanks so much. I really had my doubts about that 1799 birth and James and Martha as parents. As you say Sylvia, people do find it tempting to add names just because they fit ... I think that's what's happened in this case. The original tree was done a long time ago and as we know, there's a lot more on-line nowadays. Thanks for confirming that I was right to doubt the original entry.