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mgnv

mgnv Report 18 May 2018 06:51

One can buy BMD certs from the GRO and from the local office that now holds the rego's (one can also buy m.certs fron the actual church if it's in their current rego).

Some local indexes are online - see:
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

In particular:
http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse.shtml?p_subjectCategory=1289

GRINSON, Thomas
Marriage date: 1867
Register Book, Entry Number: C-3 1, 366

AUSTIN, Sarah
Marriage date: 1867
Register Book, Entry Number: C-3 1, 366

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MOAT, Robert
Marriage date: 1871
Father's Surname: MOAT
Register Book, Entry Number: W17, 110

GRIMSON, Sarah
Marriage date: 1871
Father's Surname: AUSTIN
Register Book, Entry Number: W17, 110

AUSTIN, Sarah
Marriage date: 1871
Father's Surname: AUSTIN
Register Book, Entry Number: W17, 110

=================

This resolves who wed whom, compared with the GRO ind

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
AUSTIN Sarah Tynemouth 10b 299
GRINSON Thomas Tynemouth 10b 299
Wheatley Thomas Tynemouth 10b 299
Williams Elizabeth Ann Tynemouth 10b 299

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
DOWSE Jane Ann Tynemouth 10b 317
GRINSON Sarah Tynemouth 10b 317
Moat Robert Tynemouth 10b 317
OWENS Elias Tynemouth 10b 317


The first element of the local ref is a code for the church (or subdistrict for Bs and Ds)
The second element of the local ref is a register sequence number for that code
The third element of the local ref is an entry number or a page number. Marrs usually have an entry number.

S Tyneside has a web page that's a key for decoding their marr locations, but here we're left guessing.
C-3 looks like a CofE church, and the registrar's own rego usually begins with an R, but it's W here.

For instance. the modern RD of Wigan & Leigh contains 3 former RDs, Wigan, Leigh and Ince and uses the codes ROW, ROL, ROI.
The registrar's own rego's don't just contain rego office marrs.
Up to 1898, only C of E, jews and quakers were authorized to keep official marr rego's, so a marr in a non-conformist church would need a registrar (or assistant) to attend with an official marr rego for the couple to sign to complete the ceremony.
After 1898, non-conformists could apply to be authorized to keep official marr rego's. Approval could take a couple of years, although RCs chose not to apply until 1980-ish.

Local B & D rego's had 500 entries - 5 per page.

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 13:42

Thanks Maddie!

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 May 2018 12:37

highly likely
here they are 1841 ??????
Coalford, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Thomas Francis Male 53 1788 Shropshire, England
Transcription
Mary Francis Female 46 1795 Shropshire, England

1861
Lloydhead, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Francis Head Married Male 73 1788 Servant Waterman Broseley, Shropshire, England
Transcription
Mary Francis Wife Married Female 66 1795 Nurse Broseley, Shropshire, England

1881
Coalford, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Mary Francis Head Widow Female 86 1795 Broseley, Shropshire, England

Margaret
Last name Francis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1817
Baptism date 23 Feb 1817
Denomination Anglican
Place Broseley
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Baptism
Register date range 1813-1833
Archive reference P44/A/2/1
Page 64

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 12:26

Maddie

Just found a 1816 marriage record for a Mary Culliss in the same church as Maria's baptism. Mary marries a Thomas Francis, doesn't mean he's Maria's father or even if it's the same Mary Culliss, but it does make you wonder?

Steve

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 May 2018 12:25

buckley
Buckley
Last name Cullis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1811
Baptism date 10 Mar 1811
Denomination Anglican
Place Broseley
Father's first name(s) Jno
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Composite
Register date range 1798-1812
Archive reference P44/A/1/6

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 May 2018 12:22

John
Last name Cullis
Marriage year 1792
Marriage date 07 Aug 1792
Marriage place Broseley
Denomination Anglican
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Lloyd
County Shropshire
Register date range 1766-1797
Archive reference P44/A/1/5
Page 164
Register type Composite
Record set Shropshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, England

John
Last name Cullis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1770
Baptism date 25 Feb 1770
Denomination Anglican
Place Broseley
Father's first name(s) Francis
Mother's first name(s) Elis
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Composite
Register date range 1766-1797
Archive reference P44/A/1/5
Page 23
Record set Shropshire Baptisms

Sarah
Last name Lloyd
Birth year -
Baptism year 1771
Baptism date 24 Feb 1771
Denomination Anglican
Place Broseley
Father's first name(s) Michael
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Composite
Register date range 1766-1797
Archive reference P44/A/1/5
Page 29
Record set Shropshire Baptisms

Sarah
Last name Cullis
Birth year 1771
Death year 1850
Death date ? ? 1850
Age 79
Burial year 1850
Burial date 08 Apr 1850
Burial place Broseley
Denomination Anglican
County Shropshire
Archive refererence P44/A/4/2
Page 117
Register type Burial
Register date range 1839-1876
Record set Shropshire Burials

1841
Coalford, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Cullis Male 70 1771 Shropshire, England
Transcription
Sarah Cullis Female 65 1776 Shropshire, England
Transcription
Joshua Carter Male 15 1826 Shropshire, England
Transcription
Arnold Cullis Male 7 1834 Shropshire, England

1851
Holly Groves, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Buckley Cullis Head Married Male 40 1811 Laborer Broseley, Shropshire, England
Transcription
Mary Cullis Wife Married Female 45 1806 - Broseley, Shropshire, England
Transcription
Alfred Love Visitor - Male 6 1845 - Broseley, Shropshire, England
Transcription
John Cullis Father Wr Male 85 1766 Gardener Broseley, Shropshire, England

John
Last name Culliss
Birth year 1770
Death year 1852
Death date ? ? 1852
Age 82
Burial year 1852
Burial date 31 Jul 1852
Burial place Broseley
Denomination Anglican
County Shropshire
Archive refererence P44/A/4/2
Page 144
Register type Burial
Register date range 1839-1876

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 12:12

Maddie

A Mary Cullis giving birth at 16 years old to Maria, hence no fathers name on the record, in the same village of Broseley.. Makes sense to me. She wasn't the first and won't be the last!

Thanks

Steve

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 12:07

Maddie & Austin

Really interesting stuff and very useful

Thanks

Steve

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 May 2018 12:02

Just to confirm that Sarah wasn't with her family in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Eating House, Dyke Street, North Shields, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Wolfe Dawson Head Married Male 25 1836 Shipwrights North Shields, Northumberland,
Mary A Dawson Wife Married Female 22 1839 - South Shields, Durham, England
Elizabeth Dawson Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1859 - North Shields, Northumberland,
Mary Dawson Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1861 - North Shields, Northumberland,
Sarah Austin Servant Unmarried Female 16 1845 - France

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 May 2018 11:54

a maybe
Mary
Last name Cullis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1795
Baptism date 18 Feb 1795
Denomination Anglican
Place Broseley
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Composite
Register date range 1766-1797
Archive reference P44/A/1/5
Page 180
Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, England

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 11:42

Maddie, well spotted thanks, pity there's no fathers name!

AustinQ, that looks like them doesn't it.

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 May 2018 11:42

Richard ???
RICHARD
Last name AUSTIN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1811
Age 64
Death quarter 2
Death year 1875
District Northampton
County Northamptonshire
Volume 3B
Page 47
Country England

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 May 2018 11:33

It could well be- although my knowledge of France is very limited!

Family in 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Peter Street, All Saints, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

Richard Austin Male 30 1811 Northamptonshire, England
Maria Austin Female 30 1811 Northamptonshire, England
Georgeiani Austin Female 5 1836 Northamptonshire, England
Mary Austin Female 1 1840 Northamptonshire, England
---------------------------

EDIT: That baptism looks good Maddie

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 May 2018 11:33

????
Maria
Last name Cullis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1811
Baptism date 24 Mar 1811
Denomination Anglican
Place Broseley
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Mary Cullis
Mother's last name -
Residence -
County Shropshire
Register type Composite
Register date range 1798-1812
Archive reference P44/A/1/6
Page 123
Record set Shropshire Baptisms

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 11:31

There's very interesting! Two youngest daughters born in France? Do you imagine that Duppe is actually Dieppe a seaport, which could tie in if like the son Richard, their father had been a mariner?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 May 2018 11:21

I think this is Maria in 1861:

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Areesleys Court, Reed Street, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Maria Austin Head Married Female 52 1809 Charwoman Broseley, Shropshire, England
Mary Ann Austin Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 - Northampton, Northamptonshire,
Richard Austin Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Mariner Northampton, Northamptonshire,
Susannah Austin Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 France
Elizabeth Austin Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 Duppe France.
-------------------------------------

If this is Maria in 1861, then this is her marriage- to Richard Austin:

First name(s) Maria
Last name Cullis
Name note -
Marriage year 1834
Marriage date 31 Mar 1834
Marriage place Northampton
Spouse's first name(s) Richard
Spouse's last name Austin
Residence Northampton, Northampton, England
County Northamptonshire
-----------------------------

Birth of son to confirm maiden name:

AUSTIN, RICHARD mmn: CULLIS
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in NORTHAMPTON UNION Volume 15 Page 292

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 11:08

AustinQ

Yep sorry 1882 Maths isn't my strong point !!

Steve

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 11:03

I've now managed to find Sarah's first marriage, her husband was dead just over two years later. They had a daughter Mary M Grinson by the look of it. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 16 May 2018 10:57

You have son Thomas as born in 1872- did you mean 1882?

Birth:
MOAT, THOMAS WILLIAM Mother's maiden name: AUSTIN
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 177

Fetlar13

Fetlar13 Report 16 May 2018 10:56

Fantastic stuff so far thanks!