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Ok Maddie, thank you for looking for me. I couldnt see any either.

can't see any parish records so you may have to order the cert

I know this thread was marked as answered but as it contains a little bit of information which is relevant to my query I thought I should continue with this thread.

Previously you helped me to find my GG Grandfather David Richards marriage to an Eleanor Evans. I ordered the marriage certificate and the date of the marriage was 13th Sept 1881. We was recorded as a widower.

There are 4 children, Thomas 1877(my Great Grandfather) Henry 1884, James 1887, and Elizabeth Ann 1886. MMN for all the children was Evans.

As he was a widower I am looking for a previous marriage and I think I have found her, a Martha Evans, Merthyr Tydfyll. Sept. qtr. 1870. 11a. page 516.

I have my Great Grandfathers(Thomas) birth certificate and the Mothers name is Martha Evans.

I am thinking that Thomas had a differant mother to the other 3 siblings, but by coincidence David married 2 ladies with the maiden surname of Evans. IE, a Martha and then an Eleanor.

Is it possible to view the marriage banns in the hope that they may contain further information so I can confirm the correct 1st wife, I have tried to look myself but not been able to find it.

If not, I will order the certificate.

Thank you in advance for any help.

RICHARDS, JAMES EVANS Order
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in OF MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 552

RICHARDS, ELIZABETH ANN EVANS Order
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 513 :-)

I am thinking it may be Eleanor Evans, that would tie in with the census that I think is them with David and Ellen at 8 Sunny Bank, if Elizabeth Ann and James's birth entries show mothers maiden name as Evans then I will be as sure as I can be that it the right marriage.

for ref ????????????????
1901
8, Sunny Bank, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
David Richards Head Married Male 54 1847 Carmarthenshire, Wales Colliery Haulier Below Ground
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Ellen Richards Wife Married Female 47 1854 Glamorganshire, Wales -
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Henry Richards Son Single Male 17 1884 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales Colliery Haulier Below Ground
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James Richards Son - Male 15 1886 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales Coal Hewer
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Elizabeth A Richards Daughter - Female 12 1889 Aberdare,

RICHARDS, HENRY EVANS Order
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 472

DAVID
Last name RICHARDS
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1881
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ DAVID RICHARDS married one of these people
Elizabeth Morris, Eleanor Evans
District Pontypridd
District number -
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 526
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

RICHARDS, THOMAS EVANS Order
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 542

Am still stuck trying to put together the last little piece of this section of my family tree.
After your help last week I have managed to complete Catherine's family, and I thank you very much for that, but her father in law David Richards is proving a bit difficult, I thought I had him when I got the marriage certificate showing him living at 30 Barry Terrace (should be 30 Barry road). I have trawled through dozens of census's trying to place him and preferably with a wife, was hoping to find Thomas with them prior to Thomas's marriage in Dec 1900.

On the marriage certificate Catherine says she was living at 4 Sunny Bank, Blaenclydach.

Your help last week led me to another census (1901) for catherine's sister, Jane, still living at 4 Sunny Bank,with her Mother, and others, and I noticed on that at 8 Sunny Bank, David Richards, with wife Ellen and children,Henry, James and Elizabeth Ann.

Henry, James and Elizabeth Ann are the same names used by Thomas and Catherine to name some of their own children, and also with them being in the same Road, I thought again I had found Thomas's parents, and I do think it could well be them, but I can't prove it.

I tried looking for the mothers maiden name to see if it tied up with some possible marriages I found for David to Ellen Hodge 1864, Ellen Davies 1875 and Ellen Mathias 1877, but I don't know how to get the Mothers maiden name, maybe I am just not looking in the right place.

All I am wanting is to prove Davids wife and other siblings if there were any.

I don't think that's the correct marriage for Catherine's parents. Birth reg shows mmn Humphreys.

Possible marriage:

Marriages Dec 1877
HUMPHREYS Eleanor Machynlleth 11b 319 <<<<
HUMPHREYS Elizabeth Machynlleth 11b 319
Jones Lewis Machynlleth 11b 319 <<<<<
THOMAS Richard Machynlleth 11b 319
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Birth of Catherine's sister Eunice:

JONES, EUNICE (mother's maiden name: HUMPHREYS )
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 516

That is marvellous, thank you so much. I couldn't see how to get the full address from the census. Funny thing is that I have seen those above census, and put them to one side because I couldnt prove it, as it did not show the full address.

I noticed no David Richards, or his wife and any other children, if there were any on the Barry Road one. I don't have a DOB or name of spouse for David. Only what is on the marriage certificate.

Catherine
Last name Jones
Birth year 1882
Birth day -
Birth month -
Baptism year 1882
Baptism day 06
Baptism month Feb
Place Machynlleth
County Montgomeryshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Lewis
Mother's first name(s) Elinor
Record set Montgomeryshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

LEWIS
Last name JONES
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1878
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ LEWIS JONES married
Eleanor Morgans
District Machynlleth
District number -
County Montgomeryshire
Country Wales
Volume 11B
Volume as transcribed 11B
Page number 220
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Part of Graig Fach, Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Lewis Jones Male 35 1806 Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Margaret Jones Female 30 1811 -
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Margaret Jones Female 4 1837 Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Lewis Jones Male 3 1838 Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Thomas Jones Male 1 1840 Montgomeryshire, Wales
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Penrallt Street, Machynlleth in & Libs, Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Lewis Jones Head Married Male 50 1801 Victualer Inn Keeper Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Mary Jones Wife Married Female 41 1810 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Margaret Jones Daughter - Female 14 1837 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Lewis Jones Son - Male 13 1838 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Thomas Jones Son - Male 11 1840 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Robert Jones Son - Male 8 1843 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Catherine Jones Daughter - Female 9 1842 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Jane Jones Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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John Jones Son - Male 4 1847 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Erasmus Jones Son - Male 0 1851 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Rowland Jones Visitor - Male 52 1799 - Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
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Lewis
Last name Jones
Year 1836
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1836
Marriage date 06 Sep 1836
Residence Machynlleth
Place Llanwrin
County Montgomeryshire
Country Wales
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Williams
Spouse's residence Llanwrin
Record set Montgomeryshire Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Wales, Great Britain

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The address that Thomas gives is where he and Catherine were living in 1901- listed as Barry Road rather than Terrace:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
30, Barry Road, Pwllgwann, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

Josiah Prout Head Married Male 43 1858 Aberdare, Glamorganshire Hewer Of Coal (Below Ground)
Margarita Prout Wife Married Female 40 1861 Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales -
William Thos Prout Son Single Male 17 1884 Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Hewer Of Coal (Below Ground)
Margaret Ann Prout Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Wales -
William Francis Boarder Single Male 34 1867 Swansea, Glamorganshire, Wales Colliery Labourer (Below Ground)
Thomas Richards Boarder Married Male 24 1877 Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Colliery Haulier (Below Ground)
Catherine Richards Boarder Married Female 19 1882 Machynlleth, Glamorganshire, Wales
David Thos Richards Boarder Single Male 0 1901 Ystradyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales

Catherine's family:-

This is the address in 1901:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Sunny Bank, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

Eleanor Jones Head Widow Female 50 1851 Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales -
Jane Hartley Daughter Married Female 21 1880 Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales -
John Hartley Son-In-Law Married Male 25 1876 Swansea, Glamorganshire, Colliery Haulier Below Ground
Eunice Jones Daughter - Female 15 1886 Clydach Vale, Glamorganshire, Servant (Domestic)
Lewis Hartley Grand Son - Male 3 1898 Clydach Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales -
Ellen May Hartley Grand Daughter - Female 0 1901 Clydach Vale, Glamorganshire, Wales
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Same family in 1891:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Morton Terrace, Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales

Lewis Jones Head Married Male 52 1839 - Retired Collier ?
Eleanor Jones Wife Married Female 38 1853 Montgomeryshire, Wales -
Mary Ann Jones Daughter - Female 13 1878 Montgomeryshire, Wales -
Jane Jones Daughter - Female 11 1880 Montgomeryshire, Wales -
Catherine Jones Daughter - Female 9 1882 Montgomeryshire, Wales -
Eunice Jones Daughter - Female 5 1886 Glamorganshire, Wales

No problem. I thought I was there when I got the marriage cert with the parents name and possible address.

sorry not that one as in 1881 thomas has a middle initial j
however rules him out

Most of the family were coal miners, marriage certificate says haulier, I think that means a coal miner who works above ground rather that underground.

what was thomas's father occupation

there is this one in 1891

Name: Thomas Richards
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's name: David Richards ----- coal miner
Mother's name: Hannah Richards
Gender: Male
Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Tylorstown with Ferndale
Town: Home Penrhys
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors:
Piece: 4429
Folio: 34
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
David Richards 53
Hannah Richards 52
Mary Richards 16
Thomas Richards 14
William Thomas 37
Richard George 35
John Davies 37
Source Information

Since I first wrote in May this year, am still struggling with my Great Grandparents Thomas Richards and Catherine Richards nee Jones.

I know Thomas was born 28 May 1877, Aberdare, Wales, and I now know for sure that your post 15th May is his death entry. GRO 8b. Page 19. Family bible shows year of death 1948, written by my Grandfather.

Have got them both on 1909, 1911 and Thomas only on 1939 census. Catherine died about 1930.

Without firm DOB for Catherine and details of her parents it's been difficult to find a death entry for her, or a birth entry.

I ordered their marriage certificate in the hope that it would give me their parents details and help me with completing this part of my tree.

The marriage certificate, GRO 11a Page 1037 shows;

Date of marriage 25th Dec 1900
Thomas was 23
Catherine was 19

Thomas's fathers name David Richards
Catherine's father's name Lewis Jones (Decd)

Residence at time of marriage:
Thomas 30 Barry Terrace, Pwyygwaun
Catherine 4 Sunny Bank, Blaenclydach

Witnesses;
John Hartley
Henry John James Jones

I thought if I searched on those addresses it would give me a clue for at least their parents and then maybe I could work from that, but I can't find anything under these address's.

There are numerous David Richards, and Lewis Jones.

Are you able to give any pointers as to what to do now or where to look please.

Since I first wrote to you in May, I have found all their children and spouses, but have hit a brick wall with this now.

Thank you for that have got it, much appreciated.

It's on FMP- I'll pm you the image:

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fr39%2f7338%2f7338e%2f017%2f29