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Hi - I have Elizabeth Barrow, daughter of William and Esther (nee Kirkman) born c. 1848 in Abram, Lancs.

1861 census has William 32 Collier, Esther 37, Elizabeth 13, Maria 7, Ellen J 5 and Nancy living in Hindley.

1871 has everybody except Elizabeth living at 31 Old Road, Failsworth. Maria, Ellen and Nancy subsequently marry in 1878, 1879 and 1878 respectively.

Cannot link up possible marriages - she worked as Doffer in Cotton Factory in 1861. Father was Collier/Coal Miner.

Any suggestions welcome.

Phil

Thank you

Census for our reference.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rotton Row, Hindley, Wigan, Lancashire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Barrow Head Married Male 32 1829 Collier Bolton, Lancashire, England
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Esther Barrow Wife Married Female 37 1824 Silk Weaver Westhoughton, Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Barrow Daughter - Female 13 1848 Doffer Cotton Factory Abram, Lancashire, England
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Maria Barrow Daughter - Female 7 1854 - Ince, Lancashire, England
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Ellen J Barrow Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Ince, Lancashire, England
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Nancy Barrow Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Hindley, Lancashire, England
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Elizabeth Ammon Lodger Unmarried Female 25 1836 Mule Piecer Cotton Factory Atherton, Lancashire, England
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Thomas Ammon Lodger - Male 3 1858 - Atherton, Lancashire, England



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Old Road, Failsworth, Manchester, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Barrow Head - Male 44 1827 - Lancashire, England
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Esther Barrow Wife - Female 46 1825 - Lancashire, England
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Maria Barrow Daughter - Female 17 1854 - Lancashire, England
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Ellen J Barrow Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Lancashire, England
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Nancy Barrow Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Lancashire, England
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John W Cranshaw Lodger - Male 6 1865 - Lancashire, England

Are you sure about mother's maiden name? An Esther Kirkman married a JAMES Barrow (not William) in 1845:

BARROW, ELIZABETH (mmn: KAY)
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in WIGAN UNION Volume 21 Page 784

BARROW, ELLEN JANE (mmn: KAY)
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 49

BARROW, NANCY (mmn: KAY )
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 70
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Marriage:

Name(s) Esther Kay
Age 21
Marriage date 01 Aug 1847
Marriage place Wigan
Father's name(s) James Kay
Spouse's name(s) William Barrow
Spouse's birth date 1827
Spouse's father's name(s) Robert Barrow
Residence Wigan, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
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These appear to be some of the children from the Esther Kirkman & JAMES (not William) Barrow in 1845:

BARROW, GEORGE KIRKMAN
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 119
BARROW, JOHN KIRKMAN
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 154
BARROW, JOSIAH KIRKMAN
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in BOLTON UNION Volume 21 Page 114


Marriage:
name(s) Esther Kirkman
Marriage date 27 Apr 1845
Marriage place Bolton-Le-Moors
Father's name(s) Abraham Kirkman
Spouse'sname(s) James Barrow
Spouse's father's name(s) Josiah Barrow
Residence Bolton-le-Moors, Lancashire, England

My profuse apologies. The K became another surname.....

Thank you

Nancy emigrated to Massachussetts in 1882....

Follwing on from this, we never established what might have happened to Elizabeth (in the 1861 census aged 13...).

(Forget the Kirkman links.)

Her sisters Ellen, Nancy and Maria married Critchley Daniels, Ben Gomershall and James Holgate Squire respectively.

(Nancy emigrated in 1882 to Washington State.)

Thank you

Have you searched for her by herself, as a servant?

Where have you looked for her??

Have your tried Freebmd, GRO Index, lancs-opc, lancs bmds???

Knowing that helps us to cut down where we search.

Hi. Have tried all sources. Would never just expect anyone to just start from scratch. The difficulty is that there appear to be so many Elizabeth Barrow options whether it be marriage or death. I'm hoping that I may have missed a trick or just something obvious.

?
1871

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Name:
Elizabeth Barrow
Age:
23
Estimated birth year:
1848
Relation:
Boarder
Gender:
Female
Where born:
Bolton Lancashire England
Civil Parish:
Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Andrew
County/Island:
Lancashire
Country:
England
Registration district:
Manchester
Sub-registration district:
London Road
ED, institution, or vessel:
18
Household schedule number:
149
Piece:
4043
Folio:
73
Page Number:
26

She is single a cotton winder similar to a doffer -1861.

many of the Elizabeth Barrows are with parents or a wife.

Have you seen those sibling Marriages, to check for Witnesses?...

Chris :)

Edits (looking on below, not a Witness!) (Father William, occ. as Sinker. 1879 Abode, Chadderton)

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1848
BARROW Elizabeth KAY Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/9/95

Yes this could be her. I think I've found. I suppose the next question is 1881 census. Will probably next marriage certificates.

That 1871 reference, FMP...

Chris :)

Richard Jones Head - Male 38 1833 - Shropshire, England
Ellen Jones Wife - Female 26 1845 - Lancashire, England
William Jones Son - Male 13 1858 - Lancashire, England
Henry Jones Son - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Barrow Boarder - Female 23 1848 - Lancashire, England (Bolton) Cotton Winder)
Jane A Barrow Boarder - Female 17 1854 - Lancashire, England (Manchester) (Calico Weaver Power Loom)
Ashton Street, Manchester, Lancashire,

Further to show that that Elizabeth isn't the right one - as well as wrong birthplace and sister Jane - Ancestry suggests this is Jane's marriage , and I tend to agree it looks very likely:

Jane Ann Bassow
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Jane Ann Bassow [ Barrow on image]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1873
Marriage Place: Manchester, St John, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Manchester
Father: Robert Bassow - farmer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Peter Beard - tailor
Reference Number: GB127.M403/6/3/54


Jane Ann Beard
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Jane Ann Beard
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Peter Beard
Gender: Female
Where born: Mchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 20 Upper Cyrus St
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Calico Wever
Registration district: Manchester
Sub registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors:
Piece: 3984
Folio: 106
Page Number: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Beard 33
Jane Ann Beard 26
John Beard 4
Frederick Beard

Yes. No cousin Janes in the family around that time....

Are you sure Nancy emigrated 1882?...(below Daughter is with them 1881. Oldham)

Chris :)

Birth
GOMERSALL, VIOLETEA BARROW
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 597


Baptism: 24 Dec 1884 Holy Trinity, Oldham, Lancashire, England
William Gomersall - [Child] of Ben Gomersall & Nancy
Abode: 9 Orleans Street
Occupation: Moulder
Baptised by: R. Masheder
Register: Baptisms 1848 - 1890, Page 227, Entry 1816
Source: LDS Family Search

Birth
GOMERSALL, WILLIAM BARROW
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 628


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(possibles for them on above, Ohio)

Yes William was born then but she had children in 81, 82, 93, 95, 98 and 1905. She died Ohip 8 July 1930. Children born in Rhode Island and Michigan.

(yes, it was seeing below you posted earlier that threw me!)

(Nancy emigrated in 1882 to Washington State.)

Chris :)

I wonder what prompted her to return? Both parents died in 1889 so it couldn't have been their funerals.

Do you know when they returned to England?

They went back to the US when William was only a few months old:

Ben Gomersall
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Ben Gomersall
Arrival Date: 6 Mar 1886
Birth Date: abt 1859
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Britannic

The whole family with him.


They must have come over between April 1883 and 4th qr 1884, but I can't see a record of it.


Frank Golmersall
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Frank Golmersall
[Frank Gomersall]
Age: 17
Birth Date: Apr 1883 <<<<<<<<<<<
Birthplace: Rhode Island <<<<<<<<<<<<
Home in 1900: Fall River Ward 9, Bristol, Massachusetts
Ward of City: Fall River Mass
Street: North Main St
House Number: 1096
Sheet Number: 5
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 71
Family Number: 117
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital status: Single
Father's name: Ben Golmersall
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's name: Nancy Golmersall
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: Apprentist Moulder Iron
Months Not Employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Ben Golmersall 42
Nancy Golmersall 42
Valetta Golmersall 19
Frank Golmersall 17
William Golmersall 15
George F Golmersall 7
Ben W Golmersall 5
Charles A Golmersall 2

Ben Gomersall
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Ben Gomersall
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: 1859
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Oldham Lancashire England
Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 195
Piece: 4100
Folio: 153
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Jonathan Gomersall 37
Violet Gomersall 37
William Gomersall 16
George Gomersall 15
Ben Gomersall 12
Charles Gomersall 11
Carter Gomersall 8
Frank Gomersall 2
Martha A Gomersall 6




Maybe they came over for Ben's brother Charles's marriage ??

Charley Gomersall
in the Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Charley Gomersall
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1860
Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1884 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marriage Place: Prestwich, St Mary, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Prestwich
Father: Jonathan Gomersall
Spouse: Ellen Anderson
Reference Number: L160/1/4/44
Archive Roll: 601

It's interesting that there are quite large age gaps between the children.