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13 May 2018 19:35 |
Apologies, I had missed the daughter Elizabeth on the 1871 census posted earlier.
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13 May 2018 19:28 |
First name(s) Elizabeth Maria Last name Turrell Sex Female Age 27 Birth year 1846 Residence Tower Rd Marriage year 1873 Marriage date 02 Jan 1873 Parish Great Yarmouth, St Nicholas with St Peter, St John, St Andrew, St James, St Paul & St Luke Diocese Norwich Spouse's first name(s) Henry Palgrave Spouse's last name Westgate Spouse's age 30 Spouse's parish Tower Rd Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Turrell Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel Spouse's father's last name Westgate County Norfolk Country England Archive Norfolk Record Office Archive reference PD 28/94 Page 42 Record set Norfolk Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain © Findmypast
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13 May 2018 19:26 |
TURRELL, ELIZABETH MARIA SEELEY Order GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in GREAT YARMOUTH Volume 13 Page 392 Order
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13 May 2018 19:25 |
Ah! Here we go. There was another daughter and more likely to be the mother of James Samuel Turrell.
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Coleman Palgraves Walk, Nelson Ward, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Elizabeth Turrell Head Married Female 31 1820 Fisherman's Wife Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Elizabeth Turrell Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
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13 May 2018 18:56 |
I think you need to buy James Samuel's birth certificate to find out who his parents are. I still think it's highly unlikely that either James Robert or Samuel will be named on the birth certificate. I doubt any father will be named on it .......only the mother.
Note that neither of the entries below give the name of James Samuel's father.
Record set Norfolk Banns Sex Male Archive reference PD 28/186 First name(s) James Samuel Last name Turrell Banns year 1889 Marriage year - Spouse's first name(s) Louisa Maria Spouse's last name Thomas Parish Great Yarmouth, St Nicholas with St Peter, St John, St Andrew, St James, St Paul & St Luke Diocese Norwich County Norfolk Country England Residence Great Yarmouth First banns date 20 Jan 1889 Spouse's parish Great Yarmouth Archive Norfolk Record Office Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain © Findmypast
Louisa Maria Last name Thomas Sex Female Age 18 Birth year 1871 Residence 28 N Quay Marriage year 1889 Marriage date 10 Feb 1889 Parish Great Yarmouth, St Nicholas with St Peter, St John, St Andrew, St James, St Paul & St Luke Diocese Norwich Spouse's first name(s) James Samuel Spouse's last name Turell Spouse's age 21 Spouse's parish 25 Ordnance rd Father's first name(s) Henry John Father's last name Thomas County Norfolk Country England Archive Norfolk Record Office Archive reference PD 28/103 Page 214 Record set Norfolk Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain © Findmypast
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13 May 2018 17:52 |
TURRELL, ALICE MAUD MMN MILLICAN GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in YARMOUTH NORFOLK Volume 04B Page 3
Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%) Langley Frederick W Turrell Yarmouth 4b 94 Turrell Alice M Langley Yarmouth 4b 94
Langley Household (2 People) 1 North Road , Great Yarmouth C.B., Norfolk, England
Alice M Langley 29 Jan 1885 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 250 2 Frederick Langley 31 Aug 1877 Male Grocer's Assistant Married 250 1
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13 May 2018 17:16 |
Births Mar 1850 (>99%) Millican Mary Ann Matilda Gt Yarmouth 13 391
Mary A M Turrell in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Mary A M Turrell Death Age: 74 Birth Date: abt 1852 Registration Date: Mar 1926 Registration district: Yarmouth Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 7
Mary Ann Matilda Turrell in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016 Name: Mary Ann Matilda Turrell (Widow) Age: 74 Birth Date: abt 1852 Death Date: abt 1926 Death Place: 104 Tower Rd. Burial Date: 27 Feb 1926 Burial Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Cemetery Section: F. Grave Number: 676 Interment Number: 5252 Cemetery Notes: Not Consecrated
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13 May 2018 17:09 |
Hello I suppose its possible that he could be James or Samuels son Ginny
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13 May 2018 17:06 |
James R Turrell in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: James R Turrell Death Age: 68 Birth Date: abt 1852 Registration Date: Mar 1920 Registration district: Yarmouth Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 3
James Robert Turrell in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016 Name: James Robert Turrell (Journeyman... Sail Maker) Age: 68 Birth Date: abt 1852 Death Date: abt 1920 Death Place: 22, Clarence Road Burial Date: 22 1920 Burial Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Cemetery Section: F. Grave Number: 676 Interment Number: 3965 Cemetery Notes: Not Consecrated
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13 May 2018 17:00 |
Hello If he is classed as a nephew to Mary A wright on 1881 census that points to him being either Samuel,s or James's son! Ginny
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13 May 2018 16:57 |
I doubt he's James's child. The birth entry on the GRO index doesn't give a mmn so probably no father named on the birth certificate and if James was the father of a child and not married to the mother, the birth would be registered in the mother's surname unles he was present. If that was the case the mmn would be on the index. When there is no mmn on the index it usually indicates that her mmn is the same as the surname for the child.
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13 May 2018 16:57 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 22 Clarence Road Great Yarmouth, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation James Turrell Head Married Male 59 1852 Gt Yarmouth Sail Maker Transcription Mary Ann Turrell Wife Married Female 59 1852 Gt Yarmouth - Transcription Alice Turrell Daughter Single Female 26 1885 Gt Yarmouth Dressmaker
Married 38 years........9 children born, 6 living, 3 had died
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 22, Clarence Road, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
James Turrill Head Married Male 49 1852 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Sail Maker Transcription Mary A Turrill Wife Married Female 49 1852 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England - Transcription James Turrill Son Single Male 22 1879 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England House Carpenter Transcription Elizabeth Turrill Daughter Single Female 21 1880 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Silk Mills Transcription Florence Turrill Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Dress Maker Transcription Alice Turrill Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Dress Maker
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13 May 2018 16:53 |
So the Grandson of James Turrell and Elizabeth Seely married and children and will probably have descendants.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 82 Medway Road Gillingham Kent, Gillingham, Kent, England
James Samuel Turrell Head Married Male 43 1868 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk Shipwright Louisa May Turrell Wife Married Female 40 1871 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk Fish Retailer Florence Ellen Turrell Daughter - Female 13 1898 Gillingham Kent - Harry Thomas Turrell Son - Male 9 1902 Gillingham Kent School May Lilian Turrell Daughter - Female 5 1906 Gillingham Kent - Frank Alan Turrell Son - Male 4 1907 Gillingham Kent -
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13 May 2018 16:51 |
I wonder if James Turrell born 1868 could possibly be Jame's child! Ginny
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13 May 2018 16:51 |
James Turrell in the 1881 England Census
Name: James Turrell Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Mary A. Turrell Gender: Male Where born: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: 11 N Clarence Rd Marital Status: Married Occupation: Sailmaker Journeym Registration district: Yarmouth Sub registration district: Yarmouth Southern ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1910 Folio: 110 Page Number: 50 Household Members: Name Age James Turrell 29 Mary A. Turrell 29 Mary A. Turrell 6 Clara Turrell 4 James Turrell 2 Elizabeth Turrell 1 Jessie E. Turrell
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13 May 2018 16:47 |
Here he is in 1881 living with James and Samuel's sister Mary Ann
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 10, Clarence Road, Gt Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Learn more
Daniel K Wright Head Married Male 31 1850 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Seaman Ts & Rnr Mary A E Wright Wife Married Female 26 1855 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England - Mary A E Wright Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England - James S Turrell Nephew Single Male 13 1868 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England -
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13 May 2018 16:45 |
This might be your James Robert's marriage......
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Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%) MILLICAN Mary Ann M Yarmouth 4b 58 TURRELL James Robert Yarmouth 4b 58
James Turrell in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Turrell Gender: Male Age: 39 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1852 Spouse: Mary A Turrell Child: Mary A Turrell Clara Turrell James Turrell Elizabeth Turrell Florence Turrell Alice Turrell Birth Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Great Yarmouth Residence Place: Great Yarmouth, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Sub registration district: Yarmouth Southern
Household Members: Name Age James Turrell 39 Sail Maker Mary A Turrell 39 Mary A Turrell 16 Clara Turrell 14 James Turrell 13 Elizabeth Turrell 11 Florence Turrell 7 Alice Turrell 6
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13 May 2018 16:41 |
This seems to be the birth of the grandson on the 1871 census. He's illegitimate but who's his mother? The only daughter I can see for James and Elizabeth is Mary Ann Amelia and she's a bit young to be his mother.
TURRELL, JAMES SAMUEL - Order GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in YARMOUTH NORFOLK Volume 04B Page 15 Order
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13 May 2018 16:41 |
Thanks again for info I see now that there was only Samuel and James. Ginny
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13 May 2018 16:31 |
Elizabeth Last name Seely Sex Female Age Full Age Birth year - Residence Nine Parish Row Marriage year 1841 Marriage date 25 Feb 1841 Parish Great Yarmouth, St Nicholas with St Peter, St John, St Andrew, St James, St Paul & St Luke Diocese Norwich Spouse's first name(s) James Spouse's last name Turrell Spouse's age Full Age Spouse's parish Dover Court Row Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Seely Spouse's father's first name(s) Samuel Spouse's father's last name Turrell County Norfolk Country England Archive Norfolk Record Office Archive reference PD 28/77 Page 88 Record set Norfolk Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain © Findmypast
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