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13 Jun 2018 11:18 |
His wife's death:
Sheffield Daily Telegraph 23 January 1911
SHE HAD BEHAVED LIKE A MAD WOMAN
There were several curious points raised at the inquest a Shirebrook on Saturday on a woman whose dead body was found terribly mutilated on the Midland Railway near Shirebrook Bridge. David Round of 12 Welbeck terrace, the widower was asked by the Coroner (Dr A Green)- What was your wife's full name. 'I do not know to hand' was the extraordinary reply...'Have you no idea what it is?' Round: Eliza Ann I expect sir... Witness stated that his wife whose age was 33 had suffered in health of late. She had been weak and of low spirited. The Coroner: What was the cause of it? Round: Poverty sir, He added that he had done what he could for her and the five children but he had been out of work for several week....
-It's a lengthy article, but the jury returned an open verdict.
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13 Jun 2018 10:28 |
Looks like David may have married again:
Marriage: name(s) David Round (widow) Age 36 Birth year 1877 Residence Mexborough Marriage date 24 Feb 1913 Marriage place Mexborough Spouse's name(s) Mary Eckermann Spouse's age 47 Spouse's residence Mexborough Father's name(s) Henry Round Spouse's father's name(s) Thomas Eckermann County Yorkshire (West Riding) ----------------------------
Yes- he did marry again:
Sheffield Evening Telegraph 04 October 1913
INCURABLY LAZY The man who married again
David Round a former Shirebrook collier had his character ruthlessly exposed at the Chesterfield County Police Court today. He was charged, that while living at Old Road, Whittington, he ran away and deserted his three children, who became, and still are, chargeable to the Chesterfield Union. Prisoner was arrested at Oldbury Worcester. Inspector Nuttall stated that while Round lived at Shirebrook he was incurably lazy and, his wife, in desperation, committed suicide by throwing herself under a train.
The Chairman (Mr C P Markham): His wife committed suicide and he deserted his children?
Deputy Chief Constable Faulkner: And got married again.
Prisoner: I wish you;d give me a chance, as I only got married again lately.
"Unless you pay £3 8s that is owing" pronounced the chairman "you'll go to Derby for three months.
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13 Jun 2018 10:15 |
Based on birth- possible marriage of parents:
First name(s) David Round Age 22 Marriage date 17 Apr 1899 Marriage place South Kirkby Father's name(s) Henry Round Spouse's name(s) Eliza Jones Spouse's birth date 1879 Spouse's father's name(s) EdwardJones Residence South Kirkby, York, England County Yorkshire ---------------------------------
Birth of possible children based on school record:
ROUND, THOMAS EDWIN (mmn: JONES) GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 788
Baptism: name(s) Thomas Edwin Round Baptism date 09 May 1900 Baptism place Sutton cum Duckmanton, Sutton cum Duckmanton, Derbyshire, Father's name(s) David Round Mother's name(s) Eliza Round Place Sutton cum Duckmanton County Derbyshire ---------------------------------------------------
ROUND, DAVID (mmn: JONES ) GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in HEMSWORTH Volume 09C Page 193
Baptism: name(s) David Round Gender Male Baptism date 08 Aug 1901 Residence South Kirkby, York, England County Yorkshire Father's name(s) David Round Mother's first name(s) Eliza ---------------------------------------------
ROUND, WILLIAM (mmn: JONES ) GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 808
Baptism: name(s) William Round Baptism date 17 Dec 1902 Baptism place Sutton cum Duckmanton, Sutton cum Duckmanton, Derbyshire, Father's name(s) David Round Mother's name(s) Eliza Round Place Sutton cum Duckmanton County Derbyshire ---------------------------------------------
ROUND, BENJAMIN (mmn: JONES ) GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 727 ---------------------------------------
ROUND, DAISY (mmn: JONES ) GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 795
Baptism: name(s) Daisy Round Baptism date 19 Apr 1908 Baptism place Clay Cross, Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England Father's name(s) David Round Mother's name(s) Eliza Round Place Clay Cross County Derbyshire -------------------------------------
I have a feeling this is the same family:
Derbyshire Courier 11 October 1913
Unnatural Parent: Chesterfield Man's wanton conduct
The remarkable conduct of a man names David Round was commented upon at the Chesterfield County Police Court on Saturday when he was charged with running away and leaving his three children, whereby they became chargeable to the the Chesterfield Union. Ald C P Markham said the defendant had ill treated his wife to such an extent that she had committed suicide, and now he was leaving his children. Defendant was ordered to pay £3 8s the amount the upkeep of his children had cost the Guardians or go to Derby for one month.
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AustinQ
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13 Jun 2018 09:41 |
As posted earlier- posting again for my reference:
1939, date of birth 31st March 1900:
77 Aberconway Crescent , Doncaster R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Nellie Round 09 Oct 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 150 2 Edwin T Round 31 Mar 1900 Male Colliery Stone Miner Below Heavy Worker Married 150 1 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. ------------------------------
School record for same person- same birth date, father, David: (also listed are siblings, David 1902, William 1903, & Benjamin 1905
name(s) Edward Thos Round Birth date 31 Mar 1900 Event year 1912 School name Sedgefield Way Junior Mixed Infants (National) School Town Mexborough County Yorkshire Parent name(s) David Book type Admissions -------------------------------------------
Father David on his marriage:
Marriage:
Name: Nellie Roscoe (age 21, of 8 Featherstone Square) Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1923 Marriage Place: Pontefract, St Giles and St Mary, West Yorkshire, England Father: John Roscoe (Miner) Spouse: Thomas Edward Rounds (age 22, Soldier) Spouse father: David Rounds (Pensioner)
Witnesses: Charles Healy & Clara Frances Woodward
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Sandra
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12 Jun 2018 19:55 |
Thank you Shirley and Austin for the info ,I am going to read though it all now and hopefully I am on the right family .just got to check if Edwin Thomas and Thomas Edwin is the same person .....regards Sandra
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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8 Jun 2018 07:58 |
Could be Austin . I didn't do soundex
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AustinQ
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8 Jun 2018 07:43 |
This one Shirley:
Births Jun 1933 ROUND John Roscoe Doncaster 9c 1238
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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8 Jun 2018 07:35 |
????
Births Dec 1923 Rounds Gladys Roscoe Pontefract 9c 227
Births Sep 1926 Rounds Dora Roscoe Pontefract 9c 206
No john though
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AustinQ
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8 Jun 2018 07:15 |
Possibly her parents in 1911- not with children.
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 9 Turner Yard Pemberton, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
John Roscoe Head Married Male 36 1875 Lanc Lamberhead Green Night Soil Dep Rose Hanah Roscoe Wife Married Female 33 1878 Chesterfield Derbyshire - William Lewis Boarder Single Male 35 1876 Lancashire Liverpool Coal Miner Hewer
Rose - married 13 years, 7 children, 5 still living. ----------------------------
Same family in 1901- Note, Amos was born before marriage- surname Marshall:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 23, Moss Street, Lamberhead Green, Pemberton, Wigan, Lancashire, England
John Roscoe Head Married Male 26 1875 Pemberton, Lancashire Drawer In Coal Mine Rose A Roscoe Wife Married Female 21 1880 Chesterfield, Durham, England - Amos Roscoe Son - Male 3 1898 Billinge, Lancashire, England - Richard Roscoe Half Brother Married Male 43 1858 Pemberton, Lancashire, Coal Hewer Elizabeth Roscoe Sister-In-Law Married Female 37 1864 Pemberton, Lancashire, Margaret Roscoe Niece - Female 7 1894 Pemberton, Lancashire, England
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AustinQ
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8 Jun 2018 07:00 |
Nellie's birth:
ROSCOE, NELLIE (mother's maiden name: MARSHALL) GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 145
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AustinQ
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8 Jun 2018 06:57 |
Nellie's father in 1939:
Roscoe Household (5 People) 8 Featherstore Square , Featherstone U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
John Roscoe 15 Sep 1874 Male Coal Hewer Retired Widowed Lucy Lynch (Roscoe) 05 May 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single Henry Roscoe 06 Mar 1915 Male Haulage Hand (Belo Heavy Worker - Albert Roscoe 07 Sep 1919 Male Coal Hewer Heavy Work Single Sorry, this record is officially closed.
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AustinQ
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8 Jun 2018 06:42 |
Marriage:
Name: Nellie Roscoe (age 21, of 8 Featherstone Square) Event Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1923 Marriage Place: Pontefract, St Giles and St Mary, West Yorkshire, England Father: John Roscoe (Miner) Spouse: Thomas Edward Rounds (age 22, Soldier) Spouse father: David Rounds (Pensioner)
Witnesses: Charles Healy & Clara Frances Woodward
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Sandra
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7 Jun 2018 20:20 |
sorry to be a nuisance ,but I might have the wrong Nellie here ,Edwin may have been married to Nellie Roscoe not Nolan,,I know Edwin definatly lived in Aberconway crescent in 1939 registrar and had a daughter Gladys born abt 1923/4 and son John ,I could not find Gladys birth but found one for Gladys Rounds not round, with parents rounds ,,,Roscoe, can anyone help me please on 1911 censor to parents of Nellie Roscoe please ,the Nellie on 1939 censor in 77 aberconway cresent was born 1907 ,thank you for any help ,regards Sandra
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Sandra
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14 May 2018 10:15 |
Thank you everyone ,I think I better get a marriage cert for them ,as there are different names on here and so be easier if I can find their parents on marriage cert ,grateful for all your help ,,,,regards Sandra
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 May 2018 20:03 |
Ahh the years of birth has been misinterpreted on the 1939 register
It has been overwritten though
First name(s) NELLIE Last name ROUND Gender Female Birth day 16 Birth month 10 Birth year 1901 Age - Death quarter 4 Death year 1971 District Doncaster County Yorkshire Volume 2B Page 1037 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Day is different too
Still not seeing her birth but surname is Irish so maybe she was born there
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13 May 2018 19:30 |
Her birth month on the 1939 register is oct 1907 so she wouldn't be reg in the sept qtr of 1907
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malyon
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13 May 2018 18:07 |
Nellie Emily Nolan England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008 Name: Nellie Emily Nolan Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration Year: 1907 Registration District: Hartley Wintney County: Hampshire Event Place: Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, England Volume: 2C Page: 194 Line Number: 271
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13 May 2018 18:05 |
Nellie Nolan England and Wales Census, 1911 Name: Nellie Nolan Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Event Place: Paddington, W, London, England County: London Parish: Paddington Sub-District: Paddington North Registration District: Paddington Gender: Female Age: 7 Occupation: SCHOLAR Birth Year (Estimated): 1904 Birthplace: London Islington, London Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Line: 4 Page: 1 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Augustus Morton Head Male 26 London St Johns Wood, London Louisa Morton Wife Female 36 London Paddington, London William Nolan Son Male 11 London Islington, London Nellie Nolan Daughter Female 7 London Islington, London Jack Nolan Son Male 5 Bromley, Kent George Kingsbury Boarder Male 21 Regent Street, London Eugenie Lombardi Boarder Male 62 ITALY
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 May 2018 17:12 |
Well their marriage cert should name the fathers .if known
View England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Order marriage certificate for Edwin Round Add Alternative Information Report issue Name: Edwin Round Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925 Registration district: Oldham Inferred County: Lancashire Spouse: Nellie Nolan Volume Number: 8d Page Number: 1799
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13 May 2018 15:57 |
as they married in oldham but bd out by 3 years might be worth considering NELLIE Last name NOLAN Birth year 1903 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's last name Haslam District Oldham County Lancashire Country England Volume 8D Page 672
1911 1 Court 2 William St Oldham, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation John Armfield Head Married Male 33 1878 West Gorton Lancs Railway Goods Porter Transcription Annie Armfield Wife Married Female 31 1880 St Helens Lancs - Transcription Clara Nolan Stepdaughter - Female 10 1901 Oldham Lancs - Transcription Olive Nolan Step Grand Daur - Female 8 1903 Oldham Lancs - Transcription Nellie Nolan Step Grand Daur - Female 7 1904 Oldham Lancs -
NELLIE Last name NOLAN Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1925 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ NELLIE NOLAN married Edwin Round Spouse's last name Round District Oldham District number - County Lancashire Country England Volume 8D Volume as transcribed 8D Page number 1799
marriage cert will confirm or deny
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