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9 May 2018 19:59 |
He's on the 1939 register at 22 Eaton Rd.
Washington E Farrall in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Washington E Farrall Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 15 Oct 1864 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 22 Residence Place: Hoylake, Cheshire, England Occupation: Property Repairer Inferred Spouse: Catherine Farrall Household Members: Washington E Farrall Catherine Farrall
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9 May 2018 19:33 |
1911 22,Eaton Street West Kirby, Wirrall Washington E Farrall + Family married 22 years 4 children born and none died 9 rooms.
1943 on his probate he was still at 22,Eaton Street
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9 May 2018 18:43 |
Also, Washington Farrall looks to have died in 1943 but I can't locate him on the 1939 register, any luck with that please? Nor can I locate them on the 1911 census.
I'm going to leave getting the marriage cert for Hannah/Washington for the time being - mainly because GRO send it to my home address and after this weekend won't be there for a couple of weeks so will wait to see what else turns up.
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9 May 2018 18:07 |
I think that may be correct Dea, many thanks. I'll apply for the marriage certificate to check out her fathers details see if they match.
Her husband Washington E(dge) Farrall appears to have re-married to Catherine Irwin in 1926 on the Wirral, are there any other details which would confirm this please?
It may mean Hannah had died, but there are 2 deaths which could be hers.
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8 May 2018 21:58 |
What about this marriage for Hannah?
Name: Hannah Turnbull Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 25 Birth Date: 1864 Marriage Date: 20 Nov 1889 Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: Charles Turnbull Spouse: Washington Farrall FHL Film Number: 93938 Reference ID: it 424, p65, no 130
On 1891 she was born in Carlisle so it looks right?
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Birkett Road, West Kirby, Wirral, Cheshire, England
Learn more Print View image Start free family tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Washington Farrell Head Married Male 23 1868 Cheshire, England Builders Labourer Transcription Hannah Farrell Wife Married Female 25 1866 - - b. Carlisle. Transcription Frederick C Farrell Son - Male 0 1891 Cheshire, England - Transcription
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8 May 2018 18:11 |
OK, I now have granddaughters bc (pdf) dob 15/4/1887 - names her mother as Hannah Turnbull (no father named, but as they recorded her on the 1891 census as Mary "Webb" Turnbull I think it may have significance).
Hannah's birth was registered Carlisle in Q4/1863 and she is with her parents in Coniston in 1871. She is a servant in the Usher household in 1881 - which fits, her occupation on the bc states she was a cook:
Name Hannah Turnbull Event Type Census Event Date 1881 Event Place Church Coniston, Lancashire, England Registration District Ulverston Gender Female Age 16 Marital Status (Original) Single Occupation Serv Domestic Relationship to Head of Household Servant Birth Year (Estimated) 1865 Birthplace Carlisle, Cumberland, England Page Number 2 Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 4284/70 George Usher Head M 44 Hawkshead, Lancashire, England (stonemason) Jane Usher Wife F 41 Coniston, Lancashire, England George D Usher Son M 8 Coniston, Lancashire, England Thomas Usher Son M 5 Coniston, Lancashire, England Richard Usher Son M 3 Coniston, Lancashire, England Mary Jane Usher Daughter F 1 Coniston, Lancashire, England Mary Dixon Mother In Law F 66 Hawkshead, Lancashire, England Hannah Turnbull Servant F 16 Carlisle, Cumberland, England <<<<< Arthur Proctor Apprentice M 19 Hawkshead, Lancashire, England Joseph Hodgson Apprentice M 17 Hawkshead, Lancashire, England
However, can anyone find a marriage for her or her on later census please?
Added: I don't think Hannah was related to the Ushers, they appear to be George Usher and his wife Jane Dixon.
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6 May 2018 16:28 |
That looks promising for 1841/51 census, thanks both.
I think Mary may be onto something, it's the nearest so far. I wonder if his mother Catherine was Hubbard prior to her marriage to Richard?
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6 May 2018 16:14 |
Yes greyghost. Thank you. I think the name is McGuire rather than Maguive
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6 May 2018 15:58 |
Is this the 1841 you're referring to Mary - has Catherine as a widow, her and Charles born in County
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Canning Street, Holy Trinity, Kingston upon Hull, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Catharine Turnbull Female 29 1812 Yorkshire, England Mary Maguive Female 23 1818 Ireland Patrick Maguive Male 24 1817 Ireland Barnard Maguive Male 23 1818 Ireland Charles Turnbull Male 8 1833 Yorkshire, England
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6 May 2018 15:52 |
Any chance this could be him - original has North Riding Yorkshire which would fit Harrogate and it puts him in the right RD
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Hartley Ground, Broughton West, Ulverston, Lancashire & Cumberland, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Matthew Carter Head Married Male 33 1818 Farmer Thwaites, Cumberland, England Elizabeth Carter Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Lancashire, England Sarah A Carter Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Lancashire, England Charles Turnbull Servant Unmarried Male 17 1834 Farm Servant Yorkshire, England
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6 May 2018 15:48 |
Charles Richard Turnbull born 25/1/1834 baptised 14/2/1834 in Knareborough by Richard and Catherine.
1841 Catharine 1812 a widow with son Charles.
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6 May 2018 13:44 |
Thanks Margaret, it was worth checking.
Added, as I know his grandaughter is a direct line I've just ordered the marriage certificate as per the details posted by safc. Think it may be the only way of establishing his father (thats if he was actually named), but at least it should give me his mother.
Oh, just realised a MC will not name his mother - think I must be having a "senior moment".
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6 May 2018 13:39 |
The only Charles Turnbull that I can find on the railway records on Ancestry was born 1888, lived in Huddersfield.
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6 May 2018 13:27 |
Hi safc - thanks for this.
No, I haven't got the marriage certificate yet, I want to prove Mary is the child of one of their daughters first. No idea where the additional names for Charles come from, none are used in the census but I should have posted the marriage.
I've only recently started researching my ex's family for our son, and have a list of stuff to check out when I can get to the local records office as they have all the Cumbria parish records - it saves a fortune in certs!
I wonder if there is anything in the railway employment records on ancestry?
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6 May 2018 13:19 |
hi
do you have marriage cert
Marriages Dec 1859 (>99%) Dodgson Ann Ulverston 8e 1011 Mason William Ulverston 8e 1011 Turnbull Charles Richard Hubbard Ulverston 8e 1011 xxxxx Tyson Hannah Ulverston 8e 1011
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6 May 2018 13:17 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Halfway Houses, Botchergate, Carlisle, Cumberland, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Charles Turnbull Head Married Male 24 1837 Railway Porter Yorkshire, England Transcription Hannah Turnbull Wife Married Female 20 1841 - Broughton in Furness, Lancashire, England Transcription Elizabeth Turnbull Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Broughton in Furness, Lancashire, England
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6 May 2018 13:12 |
For info, should have posted earlier:
Name Charles Turnbull Event Type Census Event Date 1891 County Lancashire Parish Church Coniston Ecclesiastical Parish CHURCH CONISTON Registration District Ulverston Residence Note Cat Bank Gender Male Age 56 Marital Status Married Occupation Railway Porter Relationship to Head of Household Head Birth Year (Estimated) 1835 Birthplace Yorkshire, England Page Number 9 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 3481/ 66
Charles Turnbull Head M 56 Yorkshire, England Hannah Turnbull Wife F 47 Lancashire, England Thomas Turnbull Son M 25 Cumberland, England William Turnbull Son M 12 Lancashire, England Stephen Turnbull Son M 9 Lancashire, England Mary Webb Turnbull Granddaughter F 4 Westmorland, England
It's the granddaughter who is in the direct line, but I've ordered her BC to establish which of Charles's daughters was her mother (she was registered Kendal, illegitimate) so that should be here on Tuesday.
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6 May 2018 12:52 |
Hi all
The above ancestor was consistent with his place of birth on the census 1861 - 1911, but the dob varied slightly, he worked as a railway guard. He married Hannah Tyson in 1859 in Ulverston (Lancs) registration district, their first three children were born Carlisle, then they move back to Coniston area.
I can't find him prior to his marriage to establish who his parents were - can anyone spot anything prior to 1859 please? I don't need any details post the marriage as I have him until his death in 1913, ditto his wife Hannah I have her till death in 1924.
Many thanks in advance.
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