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PricklyHolly
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28 Mar 2018 13:20 |
In case this is of interest to you....Eileen M Greenhill nee Marsden is with her mother on the 1939 register.....
Eileen M Banks (Greenhill) on the 1939 Register
Marsden Household (3 People) 43 Belle Vue Road , Bournemouth C.B., Hampshire, England
Eileen M Banks (Greenhill) 16 Feb 1914 Female Shorthand Typist - 24 2 May Marsden 04 Mar 1888 Female Pensioner - 24 1 Sorry, this record is officially closed.
I am assuming the closed record is you.
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PricklyHolly
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28 Mar 2018 13:34 |
As a matter of interest, who was the mother of Ann and Ian?
I am not seeing a marriage for Philip between 1935---1972
Edit: Just found Ann and Ian's birth registrations.
I am not seeing a marriage that matches the MMN though.
If i have the correct Ian.....He is on the 2014 ER living in Birmingham.
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ErikaH
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28 Mar 2018 14:06 |
There was a marriage in 1935 to Eileen Marsden, which produced a daughter.
Perhaps the second relationship wasn't actually legalised - there was a divorce from the former Miss Marsden at some stage, but no idea when
From an earlier post in the thread..............
.................who he finally married later in life after divorced from his first wife Eileen Marsden.
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Sonya
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28 Mar 2018 14:38 |
Ian and Ann ..mother Ann Cant (I think) On IOW during WW2 lived with Philip as his wife.Philip was in the army unti lwell after the war.Not divorced from Eileen {my mother) Ann and Ian were not aware of this until Philips death.(very upset) The mother was sickly and died early and that is why they had Barbara to look after the household. Eileen did the same living with Bradney Banks unmarried..I think she changed her name by deedpol.
I will post when I get the marriage cert.
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Sonya
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28 Mar 2018 14:38 |
ps. What and where is the 1939 register.?
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PricklyHolly
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28 Mar 2018 14:45 |
At the outbreak of war In September 1939 a massive administrative task was underway: the taking of the 1939 Register, one of the most important British documents of the twentieth century.
In December 1938 it was announced in the House of Commons that in the event of war, a National Register would be taken that listed the personal details of every civilian in Great Britain and Northern Ireland. This Register was to be a critical tool in coordinating the war effort at home. It would be used to issue identity cards, organise rationing and more.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register/what-is-the-1939-register
It is on FMP Sonya......FindMyPast.
You need to purchase a subscription though to be able to view the original images.
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ErikaH
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28 Mar 2018 14:47 |
"At the outbreak of war In September 1939 a massive administrative task was underway: the taking of the 1939 Register, one of the most important British documents of the twentieth century.
Having issued forms to more than 41 million people, the enumerators were charged with the task of visiting every household in Great Britain and Northern Ireland to collect the names, addresses, martial statuses and other key details of every civilian in the country, issuing identity cards on the spot.
The 1939 Register, then, represents one of the most important documents in 20th century Britain. The information it contains not only helped toward the war effort, it was also used in the founding of the NHS.
In addition, the 1931 census was destroyed during an air raid on London and the 1941 census was never taken. The 1939 Register, released online by Findmypast in partnership with The National Archives, is therefore the only surviving overview of the civil population of England and Wales spanning the period 1921-1951. It bridges a census gap that risked losing an entire generation, and is a fascinating resource for anyone interested in understanding 20th century Britain and its people".
It can be accessed on Find my Past website
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Sonya
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28 Mar 2018 15:22 |
Thank you for that it is very interesting. Ps. Eileen is now 104..but I will try to see if she does remember anything about Barbara.
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PricklyHolly
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28 Mar 2018 15:24 |
Wow 104!!!
Bless her cotton socks. <3
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Sonya
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7 Apr 2018 10:22 |
I Have marriage cert for Philip Sydney Greenhill age 51 to Barbara Anne Jones 41 on 28 Jan 1972. She was a spinster and his marriage was dissolved. Barbara has father CYRIL JONES retd regional manager of Cadburys.
Their address is given as 41 The Drive, Colletts Green (Powick?) Married Malvern district. The witnesses were D & J Macmillan.
Not a great deal of help I think. Perhaps with the fathers christian name we can discount some families. Can you try please.
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ErikaH
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7 Apr 2018 10:43 |
Births Dec 1930 (>99%) Jones Barbara A Briggs Chester 8a 520
Marriages Jun 1926 (>99%) Briggs Anne A Jones Birmingham S 6d 661 S Jones Cyril Briggs Birmingham S. 6d 661
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ErikaH
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7 Apr 2018 10:45 |
Jones Household (5 People) Kildare, Charlton Park , Keynsham U.D., Somerset, England
Cyril Jones 07 Dec 1900 Male Arp Central Control Bist Sales Manager Cadbury Ltd Married 164 1 Anne A Jones 06 May 1900 Female ??? Married 164 2 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
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ErikaH
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7 Apr 2018 10:53 |
The address for Barbara in 2002 (on the ER) was in Powick, Worcester
The house was last sold in October 2014
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ErikaH
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7 Apr 2018 11:01 |
Name: Cyril Jones Death Age: 73 Birth Date: 7 Dec 1900 Registration Date: Jun 1974 Registration district: Sheffield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 3 Page: 1387
Name: Cyril Jones Death Date: 14 Jun 1974 Death Place: Holmesfield Sheffield Probate Date: 15 Jul 1974 Registry: Sheffield Address: St Keyna, Castle Hill, Holmesfield.
No details of executor. Effects £27207
Name: Anne A Jones Death Age: 61 Birth Date: abt 1901 Registration Date: Mar 1962 Registration district: Sheffield Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 2d Page: 434
Name: Anne Ada Jones Death Date: 18 Mar 1962 Death Place: Derbyshire, Derby, England Probate Date: 4 Apr 1962 Registry: Wakefield Same address as above - probate to Cyril
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ErikaH
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7 Apr 2018 11:34 |
Possibility ONLY - needs verifying, thoroughly
First name(s) Annie Ada Last name Briggs Baptism year 1900 Baptism date 24 Jun 1900 Place Normanton by Derby, St Giles Parents Joseph Cawthorne & Lucy Father's occupation Railway Clerk Residence 99 St Giles Road County Derbyshire Country England
Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%) Briggs Joseph Gawthorn Derby 7b 693 Lane Lucy Derby 7b 693
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 99, St Giles Road, Derby, Derbyshire, England Joseph G Briggs Head Married Male 35 1866 Derby, Derbyshire, England Railway Rent Office Clerk Transcription Lucy Briggs Wife Married Female 34 1867 Bottisham, Cambridgeshire, England - Transcription Alice F Briggs Daughter Single Female 9 1892 Hackney, Middlesex, England - Transcription Josephine L Briggs Daughter Single Female 7 1894 Derby, Derbyshire, England - Transcription Joseph L Briggs Son Single Male 5 1896 Derby, Derbyshire, England - Transcription Ada A Briggs Daughter Single Female 0 1901 Derby, Derbyshire, England
Name: Joseph Gawthorn Briggs Age in 1911: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire Civil Parish: Kings Norton County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: 7 Franklin Road, Bournville Marital Status: Married Occupation: Railway Clerk Registration district: Kings Norton Registration District Number: 383 Sub-registration district: Kings Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household schedule number: 37 Piece: 17838 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Gawthorn Briggs 45 Lucy Briggs 44 Alice Foster Briggs 19 Josephine Lucina Briggs 17 Joseph Lane Briggs 15 Annie Ada Briggs 10 Irene Henrietta Briggs 8 Katie Mary Briggs 1 Hedley Gawthorn Briggs 4
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Sonya
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7 Apr 2018 20:16 |
Thank you Erika and all. I think I can put this to bed now. Mystery solved.
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