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28 Mar 2018 19:30 |
(yes, she is with Harriett Ann Weston (Widow) Housekeeper to Charles Jay 1911. Mary Alice as Servant)
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(a gardener one below!)
06 January 1912 - Exeter and Plymouth Gazette - Exeter, Devon, England
While John Keegan a gardener employed at Clonyn Castle Castlepollard, Westmeath, was eating his supper, a piece of meat lodged in his throat and he was choked before medical assistance could procured.
(perhaps Daughter of Harriet, not sure if they relate in families)
Baptism County Lincolnshire Place Grimsby Church name (with link) St Andrew Register type (with link) Unspecified Register entry number 702 Birth date 04 Mar 1879 Baptism date 02 Apr 1879 Person forename Sarah Jane Person sex F Father forename George Mother forename Harriet Father surname WESTON Person abode Strand St, Grimsby Father occupation Fisherman
Marriages Jun 1878 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- TODD Harriet Pearson Caistor 7a 1303 WESTON George Caistor 7a 1303
(15 Orwell Street, her Mother and Mary Keegan 1901)
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28 Mar 2018 19:14 |
Joseph's age is given as 21 years and his father is John Keegan, gardener. Address is simply Ayscough Street. Joseph was a fisherman. In 1901 census Mary Alice Keegan, Joseph's wife, was living at 15 Orwell Street with Harriett Weston working as a charwoman.
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28 Mar 2018 09:38 |
(notes below for 87, but don't suppose for one minute, lol)
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14 December 1897 - Hull Daily Mail - Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England
A DISAPPEARANCE REPORTED. Mr Major, 87, Orwell-street, reports to the Borough Police that his son (John Major) has been missing since Saturday night...(age 34, but actual home Lynn, where he has a wife and family, was one of a crew on board a smack)
19 September 1884 - Hull Packet - Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England
District News. John Smith, fisherman, was charged with stealing a tea- pot, the property of Mary Ann Havercroft. The magistrates believed that Smith only intended the affair as a joke, and dismissed the charge
(probably husband of Emma one)
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28 Mar 2018 07:26 |
I checked at 87 Orwell Street (where a Joseph Francis Keegan was listed in the directory in 1882)- can't see anything.
There is a John Smith (fisherman, born Brixham) at 86 Orwell Street, but he is with his wife Emma (had been for a long time).
Bruce- do you have the marriage certificate for Joseph and Mary Alice? Does it give an age and father's name and occupation for Joseph?
Off out now- will check back later
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28 Mar 2018 07:08 |
Alias John Smith, lol...(oh grief)...
Chris :)
(had a quick look down Ayscough Street 1881, but not seeing, don't you have the Marriage Cert.?)
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Bruce
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27 Mar 2018 19:46 |
Ada's Father, Joseph Keegan, abandoned his wife and children in 1889, when they were taken into the Caistor workhouse. A warrant was issued for him when he was also known as John Smith. Apart from Caroline, her siblings all married locally and lived locally. The inquest into Ada's Mother, names her father as Joseph Francis Keegan. I have not been able to trace him on any census. I have traced the family Thomas Lammin and Florence, Ada's sister, quite successfully. I will pursue the electoral rolls for Burgess Street, when I next in the local library.
I must express my appreciation for everyone's help
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27 Mar 2018 14:52 |
It looks like Ada lived with her sister (Kate Florence) for a while.
In 1911 Florence (Kate) is living as servant at 110 Burgess St, Grimsby.
Kate married Thomas Lammin in 1911 (4th qtr)- she is listed as Florence Keegan).
Electoral register 1928/ 1929/ 1930- still at 110 Burgess Street:
Ada Keegan Michael Joseph Richardson Thomas Lammin Kate Florence Lammin
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27 Mar 2018 13:04 |
One below, just says Month 1...(but somewhere FMP used to have Maritime Deaths also, with more on image, unless I'm mistaken!)
J Keegan 1895 — Great Britain BT 334 Deaths At Sea 1891 – 1972
Chris :)
(as for Mary Ada, wondered if any clue from Marriages of siblings. Bruce, what else do you know?)...
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AustinQ
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27 Mar 2018 11:19 |
Enjoy your shop- I'll be out myself in a while.
The only reference I can see to a Joseph Keegan in the area is:-
City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946 Name: Joseph Francis Keegan Publication Year: 1882 Address: 87 Orwell street Residence Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England Occupation: Fisherman
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27 Mar 2018 10:09 |
(lol, well wherever we end up. hope they have newspapers archives!, we'd be lost!!. Now orf' to T***O, and hope they don't have them there, one place I won't miss!)
Chris :)
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27 Mar 2018 10:01 |
National School Admission Registers First name(s) Frank Last name Keegan Event year 1890 School name King Edward Street School Town Grimsby County Lincolnshire Parent name(s) Joseph Keegan Book type Admissions
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27 Mar 2018 09:08 |
Lol! Yes, I think I'm coming back as a fisherman in the next life
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Chris Ho :)
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27 Mar 2018 08:44 |
(yes, that would fit with Mother 1911, says 5 children, and Widowed, just don't know when...
Chris :)
(another perhaps? of Hull/Grimsby Fisher/Trawler Men that go 'missing, lost at sea' that we never find!)
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
(Burials (Grimsby) John Francis 1955, John William 1964 on above)
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27 Mar 2018 08:32 |
I don't see Ada in 1911
Stamford Mercury 30 September 1881 GRIMSBY - Sept 23 at the Roman Catholic chapel, Holme-hill, Joseph Keegan, fisherman an Ayscough Street, to Mary Alice Murphy of King Edward Street. ----------------------------
Possible Births: KEEGAN, JOHN FRANCIS MURPHY GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 658
KEEGAN, KATE FLORENCE MURPHY GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 675
KEEGAN, CAROLINE MURPHY GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 695
KEEGAN, MARY ADA MURPHY GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 632
KEEGAN, JOHN WILLIAM MURPHY GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 675 ----------------------------------
John Francis- going by the name Frank:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription King Edward Street, Great Grimsby, Caistor, Lincolnshire, England Mary Murphy Head Married Female 20 1871 Kent, England - John Murphy Son - Male 0 1891 Lincolnshire, England - Frank Keegan Nephew - Male 8 1883 Lincolnshire, England - Sarah Withers Cousin Married Female 30 1861 Lincolnshire, England - Lottie Withers Cousin - Female 3 1888 Lincolnshire, England
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27 Mar 2018 07:05 |
When did her Father die?...is she not one of 90 Orphans listed on 1901...(Caroline also with her)
Chris :)
Where are the girls 1911?...
(can see John William in Grimsby)
Edits (Caroline, 'Household Occupation', Birkenhead, in below)
http://taking-stock.org.uk/Home/Dioceses/Diocese-of-Shrewsbury/Birkenhead-St-Anne
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26 Mar 2018 19:37 |
Chris and Austin You are both correct in the families you have shown. To the best of my knowledge she was a nun. On the 1901 census she was in St Emmanuel Roman Catholic Boarding School in Leed, part of St Mary's convent and orphanage.
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26 Mar 2018 11:53 |
(right you are then AQ, lol, notes 1891 as Ada also, with her Mother in Workhouse (Lincs.)
(also with them, Henry (6) Caroline (4) John William (1)
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26 Mar 2018 09:07 |
Looks like her birth date was changed on the 1939 register from 1892 to 1889 in 1948- the code given was NJA- which is Manchester.
She was originally added as Just ADA. Mary was later added (possibly also in 1948- code was also given as Manchester)
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26 Mar 2018 08:05 |
Could be below for her...
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Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1967
KEEGAN Mary Ann 77 Manchester (CRU) Manchester BOOK(CRU)/335/18
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Below was Mother of Mary Ada 1887...(Murphy as Mother Maiden Name)
Burial County Lincolnshire Place (with link) Grimsby Church name (with link) Cemeter Register type (with link) Unspecified Burial date 30 Nov 1917 Burial person forename Mary Alice Burial person surname KEEGAN Person age 56 Notes Died 26 Nov
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------- KEEGAN Joseph Caistor 7a 1104 MURPHY Mary Alice Caistor 7a 1104
30 September 1881 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England
Marriage Grimsby - Sept. 23, at the Roman Catholic chapel, Holme hill. Joseph Keegan, fisherman, of Ayscough-street to Mary Alice Murphy, King Edward-street.
Edits (other writing? on that 1939 image 6/10/1892)
(and below perhaps who she was 'Housekeeper' to) Edits (yes, Probate 1941, 12, Acland Street)
26 March 1941 - Manchester Evening News - Manchester, Greater Manchester
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS ...Brothers and Sisters of the late GEORGE BROWN desire to Thank all relatives, friends, neighbours and members R.A.O.B., for their kindness, sympathy, and floral tributes received in their sad bereavement. —Acland-street, Beswick.
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25 Mar 2018 18:39 |
Many thanks for your help
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