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Possible death and burial of Norman:

First name(s) NORMAN
Last name JOHNSON
Gender Male
Birth year 1907
Age 4
Death quarter 3
Death year 1911
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 196

Warwickshire Burials Transcription
First name(s) Norman
Last name Johnson
Death year 1911
Burial year 1911
Cemetery Birmingham, Handsworth Cemetery
County Warwickshire
Country England
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1939 register: (Original states Frank's middle initial as E- not S)

Johnson Household (2 People) 282 Haslucks Green Road , Solihull U.D., Warwickshire, England

Frank S Johnson 09 Mar 1875 Male Collector (Accounts) Married
Edith Johnson 25 Jun 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
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Probate:
Johnson Frank Ernest of 282 Haslucks Green Road Shirley Solihull Warwickshire died 29 December 1963 Probate Birmingham to Edith May Mayfield (wife of Charles Henry Mayfield) and the said Charles Henry Mayfield electrical engineer. £29987

(I believe Edith Mayfield was Frank's sister)
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I think the confusion over adoption is that when Edith and Frank marry in 1909, Frank has the middle name Thompson- which might imply he was the father of Sidney and Norman.

All three children have mother's maiden name Beeston- which indicates that Edith was their mother.


As AG suggests, I think the next step would be to get the 1909 marriage certificate.

Sorry that should be adopted by Frank Ernest Johnson

Thank you everyone, I am new to this and only joined last week, still finding my feet. I will recap for everyone to see.
My grandfather who I knew as Sidney Johnson was born on 17/01/1909 to Frank Thompson a commercial traveller and Edith Thompson (nee Beeston) 96 Alfred Road, Handsworth .
I believe he was subsequently adopted by Frank Ernest Thompson of 15 Gt Lister St, Birmingham, son of Thomas Johnson a master butcher who was married to Fanny nee Brindley. This info I found on a scrap of paper in my dads writing with a duplicate his fathers birth certificate obtained in 1960.
I was unsuccessful in finding the marriage of Edith and Frank Thompson.
I am grateful to everyone's help and sorry for any confusion. :-S

Long shot - maybe ??

Frank E Johnson
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frank E Johnson
Death Age: 87
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Dec 1963
Registration district: Solihull
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 9c
Page: 988

Frank Ernest's baptism, with DOB:

Frank Ernest Johnson
in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Frank Ernest Johnson
Age: 0
Birth Date: 9 Mar 1876
Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1876
Baptism Place: Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St George
Father: Thomas Johnson
Mother: Fanny Johnson

I'm assuming so.
Lynn mentioned Frank Ernest Johnson in her last PM to me, though we hadn't had that info before.

AG- certainly looks a little suspect!

Think the details from that marriage certificate are needed!

Where did the Ernest come from?
Was he listed as Frank Ernest Thompson on Sidney's birth certificate?

Hmm - Thomas & Fanny's son in 1911 - sewing machine agent.
Was he living a double life ??


Frank Johnson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frank Johnson
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston Manor
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 29 Ettington Rd Aston Birmingham
Marital Status: Single <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Occupation: Agent (sewing Machine Etc) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Aston
Registration District Number: 385
Sub-registration district: Aston Manor
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 18287
Household Members:
Name Age
Fanny Johnson 59
Frank Johnson 33
Walter Johnson 31
Henry Johnson 28
Florie Johnson 24
Edith Johnson 18

Maybe Frank's birth ??

JOHNSON, FRANK ERNEST mms BRINDLEY
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 341



Parents of that Frank, just in case:

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)
Brindley Fanny Aston 6d 321
Johnson Thomas Aston 6d 321

PM from Lynn -

Yes Sidney was my grandfather, he was born Thompson and I assume adopted by Frank Ernest Johnson. I am not expecting to be able to find why he was adopted, that would be a bonus, I would like to know more about my great grandparents. I do not have a marriage certificate only my grandfathers birth certificate which I found last year, with a different surname on.


Lynn - as AustinQ suggests, please answer in the white box at the bottom of this thread, and click "Submit" - then everyone can see what you say.

Re marriage cert - you can buy a copy of Frank & Edith's marriage cert, as already suggested. That will give you more information.
(And us, if you let us know on this thread what the certificate says when you get it.)

Is adoption by Frank the adoption you meant in your first post? Or do you mean he was later adopted again, by someone completely different?

PM from Chapper: re birth certificate of her Grandfather

"Frank Thompson was a commercial traveller and the birth address is 96 Alfred Rd Handsworth. My grandad had a brother known as Godfrey Johnson, and I have been sent information about another brother Norman Johnson who I did not know about, but there is one years birth year discrepancy. Thanks"

Chapper, it's easier if you use the add reply box at the bottom of the page.

PM from Chappers5;

Thank you for the information, I have been unable to find any info about Edith Beeston marriage to Frank Thompson. My grandfathers birth certificate has an address in Handsworth. He was adopted before the age of three. Born in 1909


So Sydney was your grandfather, Lynn? What is it you are wanting to know - the reason for his adoption?

Do you know who adopted him? Or do you mean that Frank adopted him after marriage to Edith?

Frank was a "collector" (whatever that means) for a sewing machine company in 1911.

Do you have a copy of the 1909 marriage cert for Frank and Edith - posted above by Safc?
That would give you more info about Frank - father's name, etc, to allow us to research him.

I'm not sure he/ they were adopted-

Are you able to give a little more detail from the birth certificate you have.

What was Frank's occupation?

What was the address where your grandfather was born?

John Beeston
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: John Beeston
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 Oct 1875
Marriage Place: All Saints,Birmingham,Warwick,England
Spouse: Elizabeth Bryan
FHL Film Number: 918922


BEESTON, EDITH JANE mms BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 223

Edith Jane Beeston
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Edith Jane Beeston
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: John Beeston
Mother: Elizabeth Beeston
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 26 Cot 5 Ho Prescott Street
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3006
Folio: 99
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
John Beeston 30 - coachman, Soudly, Shropshire
Elizabeth Beeston 31 - Birmingham.
Edith Jane Beeston 4
Lizzie Beeston 3
Nelly Beeston 1



Edith Jane Beeston
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Edith Jane Beeston
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1877
Father: John Beeston
Mother: Elizabeth Beeston
Birth Place: Birmingham, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Harborne
Residence Place: Harborne, Staffordshire, England
Sub registration district: Harborne
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2361
Folio: 126
Household Members:
Name Age
John Beeston 40
Elizabeth Beeston 41
Edith Jane Beeston 14
Lizzie Ann Beeston 13
Gertrude May Beeston 9
Margaret May Beeston 6
Winnifred Beeston 4
Alice Beeston 2


Edith J Beeston
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edith J Beeston
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: John Beeston
Mother: Elizabeth Beeston
Birth Place: B'ham
Civil Parish: Harborne
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2818
Folio: 16
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 156
Household Members:
Name Age
John Beeston 50
Elizabeth Beeston 51
Edith J Beeston 24
Gertrude Beeston 19
Margaret Beeston 16
Winifred Beeston 15
Alice Beeston 12

Thank you, I can remember the names of two of his children, forgotten the names of the two. If my Grandfather was adopted it is good to know he would be too young to remember it.

Godfrey T Johnson on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Household (4 People) 23 Holliday Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England
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Godfrey T Johnson 15 Jul 1910 Male Textile Warehouse Cashier Married 240 3
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Eveline Johnson 09 Mar 1911 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 240 2
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Thank you safc, this is helpful. I have a copy of a birth certificate copied in 1960 suggesting his name was originally Thompson, even though I knew him as Johnson. The parents Christian names are the same and he definitely had a brother called Godfrey. I didn't know about Norman

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23 Holliday Road Handsworth, Handsworth, Staffordshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Frank Johnson Head Married Male 34 1877 Birmingham Warwickshire Collector
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Edith Johnson Wife Married Female 34 1877 Birmingham Warwickshire -
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Norman Johnson Son - Male 3 1908 Birmingham Warwickshire -
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Sidney Johnson Son - Male 2 1909 Birmingham Warwickshire -
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Godfrey Johnson Son - Male 0 1911 Birmingham Warwickshire -