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The daughter Ann........who appears on the 1841 census.......

Ann Walter in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912
Name: Ann Walter
Birth Date: 29 Mar 1821
Baptism Date: 27 May 1821
Baptism Place: Kingston Upon Thames, All Saints, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Kingston Upon Thames
Father: Joseph Walter (Bridewell Keeper)
Mother: Martha Walter


Ann Walter in the Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1937
Name: Ann Walter (Spinster)
Gender: Female
Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1822
Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1858
Marriage Place: Malden, St John, Surrey, England
Father: Joseph Walter (Goaler)
Spouse: Alfred Lovelock (Smith) Bachelor
Father: Francis Lovelock (Smith)
Witnesses: John Walter? and Sarah Ann Keade???

Thanks PH ... go rest your eyes!

Before i go........(So that i remember it tomorrow)

The daughter Mary Elizabeth Walter........married George Bliss in 1843

Marriages Mar 1843 (>99%)
WALTER Mary Holborn 2 46 (Father Joseph Walter...Gaol Keeper)
BLISS George Holborn 2 46

So i am assuming then that it was the daughter-in-law Mary Holmes who was mentioned in that newspaper article.

Prickles.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Edit:

Mary Walter in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931
Name: Mary Walter (Spinster)
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1843
Marriage Place: Gray's Inn Road Holy Trinity, Camden, England
Father: Joseph Walter (Gaol Keeper)
Spouse: George Bliss (Bachelor) Tailor
Witnesses: Thomas and Susan?? Norman??
Register Type: Parish Register


Mary Elizabeth Bliss in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary Elizabeth Bliss
Registration Year: 1848
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Kingston
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 4
Page: 163


Mary Elizabeth Bliss in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003
Name: Mary Elizabeth Bliss
Age: 29
Record Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1848
Burial Date: 25 Oct 1848
Burial Place: All Saints, Kingston Upon Thames, Kingston upon Thames, England
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript


BLISS, GEORGE MMN WALTER
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 04 Page 190

BLISS, JOSEPH MMN WALTER
GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 04 Page 199

BLISS, JOHN MMN WALTER
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 04 Page 226

Joseph and John Bliss are with John and Susannah Rowles on the 1851 census.

Newspapers are available (subscription based) from below...

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

(Find My Past and Genes)

Chris :)

(snippets I added were in full, could be more items, you have to 'play' around with keywords!, takes time, but can be rewarding, oh, and too much sittin' sometimes!, lol)

Not sure on Ambrose Rowles relating, can't see a lot on him, at present, he would need more research Kay...

(there are some more on below., that could possibly, 'Sweep' seems to feature!)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

These 2 articles from the newspaper show that they are using the name of 'ROWLING' during the 1860's ast least:


Scholastic.
The Misses ROWLING return their sincere thanks for the liberal support they have received during their residence in Kingston, and trust still to merit the favour of their Friends. STUDIES will RESUMED January 16th, 1860. Eden street, Kingston, December 31st, 1859.
07 January 1860 - Surrey Comet - London, London, England


ESTABLISHMENT for YOUNG LADIES 3, CLATTERN TERRACE, ST. JAMES’S ROAD. THE MISSES ROWLING (late of Eden Street) present their compliments and thanks to their friends, and School will RE-COMMENCE on Thursday, January 17th, 1867.
26 January 1867 - Surrey Comet - London, London, England

There are others which show the same!

Some are still 'Rowling' by 1880:

Misses Matilda Rowling
in the London, England, City Directories, 1736-1943

Name: Misses Matilda + Eliza Rowling
Residence Date: 1880
Street address: 3 Clattern terrace, St. James road, Kingston
Residence Place: London, England
Occupation: Seminary


Dea x

EDIT - I may be going off on a tangent here and these really are a family of 'Rowling's' - I will look further...........

Dea x

(just been trying to see, or find when premises were for sale...(Brook Street that is) looking at 1871, counting from start of Brook Street, she seems to be at 15, thought might tell us when she moved...(getting too technical, sorry, lol) Newspapers throw up all manner of things, with addresses (Business, Premises Sales etc.)

Chris :)

Edits (I know years ago, there was a 'Sweeps Index' not seeing on google now, bit like the one they have for Blacksmiths for olden times!)


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/875923

(ah!, was above, but not working now!)


(and Probate Calendar (Ancestry) has a few Susannah's Kingston, if she changed her surname, or had any money!, lol)

Just when I'm starting to get my head around all the info you've given me, you come back with more! I'll have to look at this carefully ... and we're going away next week, yikes!
Thanks.

I wish i was going away next week.......it would give me a week away to be able to stop searching for Susannah Rowles!!

:-D :-D

Have fun!

Prickles ;o))

I know what you mean, it's driving me crazy that she's just disappeared.

I've also been trying to find those newspaper articles that Chris mentioned but I can't find them.

Maybe I really need that break next week!!

If that marriage for John Rowles and Susannah Walter in 1845 is the correct one, does it not seem strange that the earliest child we can find is 1853, or am I missing something.

There is no doubt that John Rowles married Susannah Walter.

As she couldn't be found on the 1861 census, i checked the GRO from 1845 to 1855.

I couldn't find any births registered for Rowles with MMN Walter.

So it seems that John and Susannah didn't have any children together.

Great minds ... and all that. I started going through the GRO too but got interrupted ... thanks for finishing that. I wonder if the fact they had no children contributed to the fighting between them leading to the assault.

I wish we could find her after 1861 though but she could be anywhere.

Thanks for your help.

Just as a matter of interest......how is John Rowles connected to you?

He isn't ... I'm doing this research for a friend in his 80's and John Rowles is his great grandfather.

Oh, ok.

I suppose Susannah Walter isn't really relevant then as she and John Rowles didn't have any children together.

Still frustrating that we can't seem to find out what happend to her though.

:-|

I agree, it's totally frustrating that we can't find her. I guess there's only so much time we can give her though then we have to give in!

There is a will on Ancestry for John Rowles born in 1793 and died 12 July 1848. It's very difficult to read. I think it says that he had a cottage rented to a servant and the rents were to go to his wife, Mary Ann, and his business to his son. Can someone who is better at deciphering this style of writing than me please have a look and see if I'm correct.
Thanks.

His wife Mary Ann gets all his
" personal estate goods, chattels and effects whatsoever and wheresoever situate [something] or [something something] at the time of my decease. I also give unto my said wife the freehold house and premises which I now occupy, with the appurtenances thereunto belonging, for her own absolute use and benefit, and my [something] will and desire is that my said wife shall receive the rents as they may become due of my cottage now in the occupation of Mrs Eathor (?) for her own absolute use and the [something] only shall be the proper discharge for and during the full [something] and term of her natural life, and if at the decease of my said wife I give and bequeath the same unto my son John Rowles for his own absolute use and benefit, and from and after my decease I give, devise, and bequeath unto my said son my business and also my yard and [something] situate in the Hair (?) field in the said parish of Kingston for his own use and benefit, but should it please the [something] disposition of all human events that it should be that my son should be without lawful issue before his mother [something] and in such case my will and desire is that the same shall devolve to my said wife [something something] or assigns for [something]. And lastly I do [something] nominate ,constitute and appoint my wife executrix, and my trusty friend Mr [Richard ? or maybe Kincaid ?] paint merchant of this parish of Kingston executor to this my last Will and Testament . . . . . . ."



So his wife gets the house and contents, and also the rent of the cottage, and when she dies it all goes to the son.
Meanwhile, the son gets the business, but if the son doesn't have any lawful heirs before (something to do with the wife), then the business goes to the wife as well.

Wow and wow again ... you did a great job on deciphering it. I tried zooming in on it but could only get bits.
Thank you so much.