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Ive just looked through the death certificates i have and i have Josephs, Alices, Bessie, Edna but no Maud....

Why do families keep secrets?!

My mother was born in 1954 and she remembers every year going to visit Maud and Edna and their father at 5 Dumfries St. She was always really close with her grandmother and her great Great Aunts but she was never told about her other great aunt who had died or that Maud was married. I wonder what other secrets they had.

Would perhaps be him below...(before 1940 Marriage)

Chris :)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

7, Dumfries Street , Aberdare U.D., Glamorganshire,
John W M Billingham 10 Aug 1891 Male Rag & Bone Merchant General Widowed
Miriam Billingham 01 Nov 1889 Female Unpaid Household Domestic Duties Single Arthur Billingham 25 Jan 1892 Male General Labourer Abocve Ground Single
Cyril Billingham 18 Jun 1919 Male Colliery Telephone Operator Colliery Surface Above Single


Deaths Jun 1972 (>99%)
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Billingham John Walter 10Au1891 Pontypridd 8b 2216

(if him)


Birth
WEBBER, ALICE MAUD (WHATLEY)
GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in CHARD Volume 05C Page 338

Death
First name(s) ALICE MAUD
Last name BILLINGHAM
Gender Female
Birth day 3
Birth month 5
Birth year 1902
Death quarter 1
Death year 1995
District Merthyr Tydfil
District number 8603A
Register number A81A
Entry number 145
Date of registration mm/yy 0195
County Glamorganshire

"Alice M Billingham (Webber) who I assume is Maud Webber as the birth year is right. Maud and Edna never married and lived together at 5 Dumfries Street till they died."


Are you sure with what you say???

The way that name is written indicates that Alice M WEBBER was not married in 1939, but that she married later, as the 1939 Register formed the basis of the NHS when that was brought in in 1947 .................... entries were all updated regarding deaths and marriages for women during the war from 1939 to 1945 and then by the NHS between 1947 and 1991. So the whole indication is that Alice M married a Mr Billingham sometime after 1939!


She married in 1940 ..... if Alice M is indeed the one you knew as Maud!

Marriages Mar 1940 (>99%)
Billingham John W M Webber Pontypridd 11a 1465
Webber Alice M Billingham Pontypridd 11a 1465

Hmm that’s confusing, it says Alice is widowed and Alice M Billingham (Webber) who I assume is Maud Webber as the birth year is right. Maud and Edna never married and lived together at 5 Dumfries Street till they died.

Joseph Webber on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Webber Household (4 People) 5 Dumfries Street , Aberdare U.D., Glamorganshire, Wales
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Joseph Webber 06 May 1881 Male Colliery Hewer Below Married 117 1
Alice (M) Webber 11 Jul 1881 Female Unpaid Household Domestic Duties Widowed 117 2
Alice M Billingham (Webber) 03 May 1901 Female Paid Domestic Servant Duties Single 117 3
Edna M Webber 29 Aug 1911 Female Unpaid Household Domestic Duties Single 117 4

Thanks everyone this is great. Ive just googled the addresses and they're all a few streets from each other. Looks like 4 and 5 Dumfires Street had webbers in them for over 80 years, amazing.

I know we didnt crack the son in law case but great information from you thank you very much.

(perhaps it was too upsetting for her, not long since they had lost their Daughter Ellen)

Chris :)

(Uncle Frank, I presume!)

Glamorganshire Baptisms Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Annie May
Last name Webber
Birth year 1912
Baptism year 1912 (age 2/half yrs on image)
Baptism day 4
Baptism month Jul
Place Aberdare
County Glamorganshire
Father's first name(s) Frank (occ. Labourer)
Mother's first name(s) Beatrice Annie
(Abode, 67, Wind Street)
(Married 2yrs, 2 children born, 1 living, 1 died)

(also same time, Thomas John)


Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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CROSS Beatrice Annie Merthyr T 11a 1347
WEBBER Frank Merthyr T. 11a 1347


1911 (Find My Past)
Frank Webber Head Married Male 25 1886 Somersetshire Crewkerne Colliery Haulier Below Ground
Beatrice Annie Webber Wife Married Female 21 1890 Somersetshire Crewkerne
Annie May Webber Daughter - Female 1 1910 - -
11 Catherine St Aberdare, Aberdare, Glamorganshire,


Edits (looking on google search, think that Address at 1966, might be Tredomen Terrace)


Glamorgan Monumental Inscription index Transcription (Find My Past)

Annie Webber — 1973 Ystrad Mynach

Hilda Lilian Webber 1907 1978 Ystrad Mynach

Robert Webber 1883 1966 Ystrad Mynach

Its interesting that in the newspaper it says that Frank and his wife were there (uncle and aunt) but then only Robert (uncle) no Annie.

Yes,Bessie Webber is my Great Grandmother. Gladys was never mentioned in the family, my mother never knew there were 4 daughters, she olny knew the 3.

WEBBER, ELLEN OSBORNE Order
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in CHARD Volume 05C Page 311



Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%)
WEBBER Ellen 0 Merthyr T. 11a 446

From your other 'Thread' with below Census, presuming they must be related...

Birth
WEBBER, GLADYS MAY (WHATLEY)
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in CHARD Volume 05C Page 344

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
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Webber Gwladys 7 Merthyr T. 11a 1168


http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3579491/3579494/40/

(Robert Webber her Uncle, in above article, her Interment)

Chris :)


MarieCeleste Report 4 Dec 2010 17:47

Is this them in 1911?

WEBBER, Joseph Head Married M 33 1878 Assurance Agent Crewkerne Somerset
WEBBER, Alice Wife Married 9 years F 33 1878 Shirt And Collar Hand Coomne St Nicholas Som
WEBBER, Maud Daughter F 8 1903 Crewkerne Somerset
WEBBER, Bessie Daughter F 6 1905 Crewkerne Somerset
WEBBER, Glady Daughter F 3 1908 Crewkerne Somerset
WEBBER, Edna Daughter F 7 1904 Crewkerne Somerset

Registration District: Chard Sub District: Crewkerne Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Crewkerne

Address: Gas Lane Crewkerne County: Somersetshire


Edits (below for Welsh Newspapers)

http://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced

In 1911, Annie says she has had two children - one of whom has died

1939 only recorded the people actually living at the address at the time

This probably accounts for the St Austell births

Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
Webber Gustavis L Osborne St.Austell 5c 210

And this for the Exeter births

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Webber Austin F Osborne Exeter 5b 255

The Shoreditch birth is not directly accounted for by a marriage, but the wife could have been married before

St Austells is at bit far away isnt it.

And you would think that any other children would of been born by 1939 so would be on that record.

Is it possible the informant could of been bending the truth?

Hilda is noted as Incapacited on 1939 record so not surprising that she never married.

If the informant was his son in law, then it must be the husband of one of his other daughters.

Well Hilda didn't marry

Deaths Jun 1978 (>99%)
WEBBER HILDA LILY 16AP1907 Merthyr Tyd 27 222

All Webber / Osborne children so all possible children:-

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Webber Molly Osborne St.Austell 5c 196
Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Webber Eileen M Osborne St. Austell 5c 164
Births Dec 1916 (>99%)
Webber Charles Osborne Shoreditch 1c 83
Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
Webber Arthur F Osborne Exeter 5b 146
Births Jun 1922 (>99%)
Webber Thomas R Osborne Exeter 5b 134

Daughter Hilda never married

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007


Name: Hilda Lily Webber
Death Age: 71
Birth Date: 16 Apr 1907
Registration Date: Jun 1978
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Inferred County: Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 27
Page: 0222

Andy

Osborne, fantastic!