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WOW! AG that's fabulous :)

Re Hobart -

Harriet's claiming to be married in 1881 although Hobart's not there (posted previously), but is a widow in 1891. Can't see any sign of him after 1871, though:

Harriet Garrard
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Harriet Garrard
Gender: Female
Age: 61
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1830
Child: Annie Garrard
Ellen Garrard
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: St Matthew
Residence Place: Ipswich, St Matthew, Suffolk, England
Sub registration district: Ipswich Western
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1466
Folio: 86
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriet Garrard 61
Annie Garrard 21
Ellen Garrard 18


Harriet Garrard
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Harriet Garrard
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 471

Oh my goodness I thought you had finished helping me I get on to check things out and to my surprise you all have helped me again. wow what a ancestor to have .That's why there was so many aliases.Thank you all so so much.xx

(Ooerr!, AG, well done!, worth a bit more investigation on methinks, lol)

Chris :)

I have got in touch with a family member who is the grt granddaughter of James she is so excited.i will give her all I have.Thank you once again.

Would try for that 1897 Marriage Cert...(worth getting!)

Chris :)

Think Chris means the 1894 marriage cert :-)

(lol, AQ, yes!)

Chris :)

Was just looking at below...

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 (Ancestry)

(James Garrod 1 Nov 1884 Essex, England)

(Burglary and former conviction of felony. 10 years)


Edits (no, the above one was 62, according to newspaper reports)

awww could be what a scoundrel. James son Horace Married a Beatrice shotter whos parent were Bertram shotter and Auguster mabel Harber which is my husbands 1st cousin 4x removed.that is why I am so interested in this as the lady who I was helping realised we are connected by ancestry. How amazing is that.Thank you so much for your kind help it must have took you hours of your time.xx
:-)

It's a common name, and the YOB is wrong - but posting in case relevant:

Annie Page
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Annie Page
Admission Age: 25
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: 1864
Admission Date: 8 Apr 1889
Admission Place: Westminster, Westminster, London, England
Occupation: servant
Reason for admission: In labour
Discharged: To police


Just before the discharge details there's a column of names which seem to bear no relation to the people admitted and discharged - don't know what that column means. The name in that column in Annie Page's record is Alfred Bryant.


??? Probably her child:

PAGE, ETHEL - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 480

That might be her you know as the police was after her and James.

Anne had sisters Gertrude Minnie and Emma found those and found there mother and father and father Emma webber 1831 Sutton Suffolk and William page 1830 ipswitch.Like to thank you all very much for your kind help once again.xx

(would still get that 1894 Marriage Cert.)

Chris :)

Edits

(if you look back to below posting (page 2) didn't appear to be Annie Page, relating to Webber)

ArgyllGran Report 26 Feb 2018 08:16

will do that Chris thank you so much for you kind help Do you want me to let you know the out come of that
.x

(well I think we'd all like to know, lol, just post back here on 'Thread', then if anything further you need, we have info.)

(kept us all busy, even if we had 'brainache', lol)

Chris :)

Carol -

I think we had discounted Annie May Page (mms Webber). See discussion on page 2.

[ EDIT: Thanks, Chris - hadn't noticed you'd mentioned this above. ]

Annie May is on the 1901 census - already posted on page 2, but I'll copy it here for ease. (Also 1881 when she's with sister Gertrude) .

So she can't be the same Annie as the one who's with James Garrard in 1901.:
Unless somehow she's entered on both records, which is not unkown.


Annie M. Page
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie M. Page
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Dedham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: Princel Green
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Domestic Serv Out Of Place
Registration district: Lexden
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1800
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Gertrude Page 24
Annie M. Page


Annie M Page
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Annie M Page
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Pangbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Pangbourne St James
Town: Large
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Bradfield
Sub-registration district: Tilehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1142
Folio: 124
Page Number: 42
Household schedule number: 255
Household Members:
Name Age
William Kent 45
Ruth Kent 41
Ruth Wigmore 14
Annie M Page 37




Here's an alternative Annie;

Annie Page
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie Page
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Elizabeth Page
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich St Peter
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: Mount Street 3 Court A
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Ipswich
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1871
Folio: 9
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Page 34 - head, fowl dealer's wife
Elizabeth Page 16
Annie Page 14
Alice Page 13



???? Years don't entirely match census;

PAGE, ALICE mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 627

PAGE, ELIZABETH mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 533

Annie ??

PAGE, HANNAH mms SMITH
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 577


Parents' marriage ???

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Page George Ipswich 4a 1368
Smith Elizabeth Ipswich 4a 1368



Elizabeth Page
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Page
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Page
Gender: Female
Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich St Peter
Town: Ipswich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Ipswich
Sub-registration district: St Matthew
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 1751
Folio: 36
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
George Page 28 - butcher
Elizabeth Page 25
Eliza Page 6
Anne Page 4
Alice Page 2




BUT the marriage cert will prove it one way or the other.

Annie s mother was defiantly Emma Webber 1831 Sutton Suffolk and father William Page 1830 Ipswich Suffolk Her sisters Emma, minnie and Gertrude.all born in Ipswich Suffolk.

Well, in that case she was in two places at once in 1901.

Can I ask - how do you know you've got the right Annie?

Alice woods daughter Nora is still alive and she is telling us what she can remember.Sent off for marriage certificate.Thanks for your help.

I agree with AG- the alternative Annie looks more likely. Especially when you look at the names of Annie's children. Some of the names seem to be repeated from James' family, but there are also George, Elizabeth, Annie and Alice, which may have come from Annie's family.

Glad you've ordered the marriage certificate.