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Just to add -

I suspect this is the birth of their son George, with ms mistranscribed:

GARRETT, GEORGE JAMES mms REYS
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 504

That's another mother Reys. All these different mothers getting me a headache now. Wow thank you it gives us something to sort out to see who the real anne is the right person.

(lol, don't think it will be that easy!)

Chris :)

I thought Reys was a mistranscription, and should be Page, but maybe not.

this looks like that George in 1911 - haven't investigated parents yet.


George J Garrett
in the 1911 England Census
Name: George J Garrett
Age in 1911: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Dartford, Kent
Civil Parish: Stone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 9 Milestone, Road, Stone, Near Dartford, Kent
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labour
Registration district: Dartford
Registration District Number: 43
Sub-registration district: Dartford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 30
Piece: 3779
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas J Garrett 45
Ann E Garrett 49
William J Garrett 19
George J Garrett 17
Alfred Garrett 11
Fanny E Garrett 9.



EDIT:

Yes, forget that George.

These are his parents:

Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
Garrett Thomas Dartford 2a 600
Keys Annie Elizabeth Dartford 2a 600

Do you know anything of those other siblings of Alice, seems a few looking at Census entries posted...

Chris :)

(below was the latest thing I found, added with other 1913 Baptisms)

Chris :)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Dartford
Church name Christ Church
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 152
Baptism date 16 Dec 1913
Birth date 26 Sep 1913
Person forename Maude Annie
Person sex F
Person abode 8 Baldwins Road
Father surname WOOD
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Elizabeth


Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
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Wood Maud A Wood Dartford 2a 1173

(was she perhaps the Daughter of Elizabeth?, no idea!)

Listing the children :


Per 1911, James had been married 20 years, 12 children, 6 deceased.
(That info should be given for the wife, not the husband - but presumably just a mistake.)


Nellie 1890-91, Woolwich. (Haven't found her birth or death. She's not with the family in 1901)
James c1892 - haven't found.
George c1894 - haven't found
Elizabeth c1896. Elizabeth's birth as Garrard, in Woolwich 1896.

Possibly two more who died in infancy?

GARRETT, ROBERT JOHN mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 506

GARRETT, MICHAEL mms PAYE
GRO Reference: 1899 D Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 475

Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%)
Garrett Michael 0 Dartford 2a 324
Garrett Robert John 1 Dartford 2a 319


Millie 1905 - Wood on 1911, birth reg as Garrod or variation, Dartmouth.
Alice 1907 - ditto
Harriet 1909 - ditto. Harriet baptised as Wood.

Horace 1911 - birth as Garrard, Dartmouth.


That's 10 - two more to find, as well as births for James, George, and Nellie.

All (so far) have mms Page.

(I did wonder about below?)...

Chris :)

1891 (Find My Past)
James Wood Head Married Male 25 1866 Ipswich, Suffolk, England General Labourer
Ann Wood Wife Married Female 28 1863 Ipswich, Suffolk, England -
Nellie Wood Daughter - Female 0 1891 (7mo?) North Woolwich, Kent, England
Albert Road, Woolwich, London & Kent,


(1891 Census taken, 5th April)

(if below?)

Birth
PAGE, NELLIE -
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1104

Yes, could well be, Chris.

Another one:

GARRETT, ROBERT mms PAGE
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in DARTFORD Volume 02A Page 604

I don't see his death before 1911, where he doesn't appear on the census.

could it be a coincidence that there was two annes and two james living in the same house.Just saying.lol

Highly unlikely, Carol!

(as I asked earlier Carol, is there none of the siblings of Alice that you know of, or any names that ring a bell?)

Seemed to have been at Baldwins (Baldwyns) Road for some years...

Chris :)

Thank you all very much the mystery is still there.we will try and work will what we have got and drive ourselves made lol.

Possible marriage?

Marriages Dec 1894
Esquilant Emma Woolwich 1d 1897
Forsmark Carl Oscar Woolwich 1d 1897
Garrard James Woolwich 1d 1897<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Page Annie Woolwich 1d 1897<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

(oh AQ, how wonderful, lol, lol)

Chris :)

(prepare to go crazy!)

Edits (not seeing on London, Ancestry)

Lol Chris!

Unfortunately that's as much as I can add- I can't see the details of the marriage on-line.

I did wonder if James had been married previously (to a Sarah A Bloomfield) in Ipswich 1884 (James would just be 18). I can't see any children born to the couple. Then wondered if this was James- it wouldn't have been a great start to a marriage:

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment
First name(s) James
Last name Garrod
Year 1884
Birth year 1867
Occupation Labourer
County Suffolk
Court Ipswich
Age 17
Date 16 Oct 1884
A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The October General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace For The Year 1884

Very well done with the marriage, AQ!

I spent hours looking for it, with all sorts of variations, and couldn't find it!

Thank goodness - now I can relax!

lol AG...(never!)

Think Carol would need to buy some Certs...

Chris :)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8014199

(above was probably the other party, 1897 Marriage)

Was also looking for Hobart Garrod (his Father) after 1871...

(out shopping shortly, will look in later, have fun!)

I'm fairly certain the 1884 prison register is for our James. He was convicted of stealing the lead from the roof of St Matthew's Church. Our James was living in St Matthew's parish at that time.

A few articles on the offence report he was from 'The Mount'- Handford Road was in this area (the family were living at Handford Cut- a road running off Handford Road)

Aha! Have struck gold ! Good-looking lad, per the woodcut. Can't say the same for Annie, per the description -

James Garrod
in the UK, Police Gazettes, 1812-1902, 1921-1927
Name: James Garrod
[James Woods]
[James Smith]
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1866
Event Type: Apprehensions
Event Date: 13 Feb 1890
Event Place: Chelmsford, Essex
Publication Date: 14 Mar 1890
Role in Crime: Perpetrator


Essex - Chelmsford.
Woodcut portrait (taken in 1885), and description of James GARROD, or GARRARD, alias WOODS and SMITH, whose apprehension is sought for stealing 7s and a purse from the person, 13th ult., and who escaped from custody 14th inst., age about 24, height about 5ft 4 or 5", complexion fresh, hair (inclined to be sandy) dark, moustache sandy, eyes blue, tattooed on arms.
Supposed to have cut his feet and legs by jumping a fence at the time he escaped, having nothing on but his shirt. Is a very swift runner.
A bricklayer's labourer; native of Ipswich.
May apply to builders and contractors for employment.
May be in the company of a woman named PAGE, of Ipswich, age about 26, height 5 ft, coarse features, big mouth, short upper lip, shows her teeth, hair (cut short all round and combed down flat over forehead to eyebrows) sandy, tattooed on arms with several letters, H.O., P.O., etc
Warrant issued.
Information to Deputy Chief Constable Somerset, Chelmsford.