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I live near Wateringbury and now realise that his wife Charlotte Lucas was the daughter of Alderman Matthias Lucas a Mayor of London.

Thank you for all your help I am sorry to have made so many assumptions..I do appreciate all the work you have done for me. Thanks again. sonya

Don't worry Sonya, it's not complicated it's just a lot of scrolling down as you have to go through line by line, but it's not impossible.

As I said in my pm I wouldn't put to much into the spelling mistake after all it was a french person that took down the information for the recensement.
When you go through the french alphabet the 'i' is actually pronounced the same way as we pronounce our 'e' so an easy error to make.
I've lived in France now for coming up to 35yrs and I still have to think about it.

If you go back to my post on the previous page, you will see that the Gibson couple were married in Wateringbury,Kent and they were actually living there in 1841

Name: Edgar Gibson
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Wateringbury
Hundred: Twyford
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Army
Registration district: Malling
Sub-registration district: East Peckham
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 464
Book: 2
Folio: 6
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Edgar Gibson 45
Charlotte Gibson 35
Charles Gibson 5
Charlotte Gibson 3
Elizabeth Gibson 1

As you see there also had a son and the recensement record actually shows 2 children, Charlotte and Elizabeth.
Edgar died in 1869 and 1861 census shows him as a widow.
A tree on ancestry has Charlotte's death in 1859 in Rome, Italy.

Just looked closely at the census report and Jane Robert beneath Alfred (Greehell!) has femme and something else written against her name....so is a wife and possibly Alfreds`

I will try looking at GREEHELL and see if that helps with a marriage although could just be a misprint.
I was wondering about tracing Major Edgar Gibson`s family to see if there were any remoniscenses! There is a wife,daughter and governess on the census. I think he came from Kingston Surrey and a rather grand establishment with footmen etc. Heyho

Thanks..looks a bit complicated ...i will have a go.

Sonya,
I realised this morning that baby Jane Greenhill was not with her parents on the 1851 recensement but she must to somewhere.

This is the link you will need if you want to have a look for her:-

http://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/Archives-en-ligne/Histoire-d-une-personne/Recensements-de-population

next to the box 'Commune' click on Liste - B - scroll down and click Boulogne sur mer
Date enter 1851
Click - Rechercher
Click - consulter

There are 3 books to look through.
The first (the one that you will find Alfred Greenhill) which has 465 pages, the second has 87 pages and the third has 444 pages. So quite a bit to look through unless you are lucky and find her in the beginning.
Unfortunately, as I have already mentioned, to find someone you will have to scroll through all the records by hand to see if you can find her but you never know it may give you a clue in finding out more information as she may be with her mother's parents or other member of the family.

It will also give you a better view of the record I sent you by pm.
Still not sure why the record states that Alfred's wife was called Jane Robert and not Ross, but then I can't find any marriage for Alfred so??

It may be interesting for other helpers too who are curious to see what the french census records look like, to follow the link.

Have a good weekend.
Regards, Catherine

Thanks Catherine I will amend my records

Sonya, just had a look at the birth reocrd for Jane and noticed a couple of errors from your posting.

The birth was registered, as you say by the 'sage femme' (midwife) but her name was Louise Sergent 'femme' (married name) Lefort

The father was Alfred Greenhill and he was living rue Tout-Perd-Tout-Paie.
There's no mention that the child was born in hospital, but it does say that she was born "rue de l'hopital"

PS...Marc and I are cousins and share information re family history. He found Alfreds death details for me. S

Interesting...Alfred Greenhills wife Rachel was the daughter of Joseph Exall..Clerk to the Union Workhouse in Tenterden and a friend of Charles Arnett. He was involved with the Tithe Dispute against Rev. Ward and his wife Horatia Nelson. Also Rachels brotherJoseph took over as Clerk when his father died in 1842 and embezzled funds ending in Van Diemens Land.Thence to becoming ed. of newspapers and respected in Christchurch NZ
Quite a family!! Enjoy your sandwich. S

http://pratclif.com/calais/en-fr-friendship/texts.htm

http://anglais62.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/une-histoire-de-familles-anglaises-et.html

(was just looking at above, google search, has mention of Thomas Greenhill on first link)

Chris :)

(more about Charles Arnett Winchelsea on google, interesting reading, if like me you're eating a sandwich at the time, lol)

What I know..Alfred Greenhill applied for a passport in 1847 registered as a miller.1846 census Lived in Calais with brother Thomas`s son Harry and was down as a teacher. Lived at Rue Neuve.Thomas and Charles Arnett (innkeeper from Tenterden) were teaching in Calais from 1841 onwards. On Jan 21 1850 there is a report to the Assistant Mayor of Boulogne by midwife to Serj. Louise Lefort... Jane Ross, 26yrs says married to Alfred Greenhill 35 yrs of Tanperd St Tantpaye, currently missing. Gave birth in hospital 2am to a female child named Jane. Signed witness Lefort and Cazin.
I was sure I had a copy of a marriage between Alfred and Jane in France but cannot see it at present. I have no record of them being together.

Sonya, earlier you said that the couple had a child called Jane on 21 Jan 1850 and here you say that the couple were married on the same day, which is correct?

I had a look for a marriage in Boulogne sur Mer at the date you say but couldn't see it, could you let me have the link please as there is so much information on the marriage records it may help find more info on his wife.

Alfred went to France with Mr Arnett and family from Tenterden in order to set up an English school for the children of the lacemakers who went to Calais from Nottingham.He originally stayed with the son of his brother Thomas who went over with them.

There is a marriage for Alfred Greenhill (commission agent) to a Jane Ross on 21 Jan 1850 and later a birth of a girl and no sign of Alfred! Next is the record of his death on 6th Dec 1851. So thats it. Sometime I will try to find the wife and child...sonya

I have found a marriage and a birth date for child of Jane and Alfred but it seems they were not living together at the time of his death.

Thanks...I have a French relative so translation is ok. Pity cannot find cause of death but you have been great. Many thanks I will have to lay this to rest now. sonya

Perhaps he was offered employment by the Gibsons as you know, Rachel Death 1845, Father in Law Joseph Exall Death 1842, he might have took the opportunity...

And with Joseph having had those connections to Workhouse (I know you already have 'history' from other 'Threads') perhaps the children were placed there to be looked after. The Gibsons are at Wateringbury 1841, so no idea when they went to France, or, if Alfred went with them...

Chris :)

(Did Joseph leave a Will?)


http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/c2.html

(Old Occupations)

Commission Agent Salesman who derives his income solely from commission on sales

Just to let you know that I have contacted the 'Archives Municipal' in Boulogne sur Mer to see if there is any way of knowing what the cause of death was for Alfred as nothing is noted on the death record.

As I thought, unfortunately, as it is a medical record that, in France, is not always divulged unless the death occured in a hospital in which case you can try and find out through the hospital archives.

In your case, as Alfred died at home and nothing is noted on the death record, unfortunately it looks as though you will never know his cause of death.

Sonya, the documents are, of course, in french. Would you like me to translate them into english for you or is your french ok?

Wasn't on the 465 pages but found the adress on the first page of the second part,

The house number isn't noted on the death document so can't check the exact address but there is nobody noted living in the road with the name of (Greenhill, Robert or Ross)

(Hi Chris, there are 30 entries on each of the 465 pages and the handwritting isn't always easy to read, so can take a bit of time.

The Magazine entry is certainly the family Alfred was working for in 1851 but by then Edgar Gibson was a Major.

Also one of two men that registered the death of Alfred was the same person mentioned in the link you have posted. Alfred Killick Kent, 'marchand plombier', aged 42yrs but it would seem that Sonya already has all that information)