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Another knotty problem

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Gerry

Gerry Report 15 Feb 2018 15:56

This is what I know

Winifred Alice Gwynn was born 26/3/1892 in the Theydon Garnon (Essex) workhouse. Her mother was "Sarah Annie Gwynn factory worker of Harlow Essex". No father named.

The birth was registered by the Workhouse Master.

It appears that Queeny Florence Qwynn (b 1878) "adopted" Winifred. Queeny married Fedele Mayo, an Italian, in 1892

Queeny said she was born in Cardiff in one census and Worcester in another.

My problem is I cannot identify Queeny before her marriage nor Sarah Annie. I have no birth date for Sarah. Its reasonable to assume Queeny and Sarah Ann are probably sisters, but far from certain.

Gerry

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 15 Feb 2018 16:05

Who does queeny give as her father on the marriage cert

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 15 Feb 2018 16:10


Name: Queeny Florence Gwynn
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Epping
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 387
Records on Page:
Name
Alice Bunyan
Queeny Florence Gwynn
Fedele Mayo

So married in the Essex area too

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 15 Feb 2018 16:14

So says s Winifred is her daughter

Queeney F Mayo
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cardiff, Wales
Civil Parish: West Ham
Search Photos: Search for 'West Ham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 21 Great Eastern Rd, Stratford E
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 20
Estimated Marriage Year: 1891
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Stratford
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 148
Piece: 9361
Household Members:
Name Age
Fred Mayo 37
Queeney F Mayo 35
Winnie Mayo 19
Charles Mayo 15
Charles Soloman Mayo 7
Albert Arnold 36
SAVE Cancel
Source Citation
Class: RG14; Piece: 9361; Schedule Number: 148
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1911 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Feb 2018 16:15

1901 for ref

Name: Quincey Mayo
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Woodford
Search Photos: Search for 'Woodford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 83
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1636
Folio: 33
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Quincey Mayo 24
Winifred A Mayo 9
Frederick H Mayo 5


Name: Queenie F Mayo
Death Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1878
Registration Date: Jun 1920
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 282

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 15 Feb 2018 16:16

Still in the same area

Queenie F Mayo
Death Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1878
Registration Date: Jun 1920
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 282

greyghost

greyghost Report 15 Feb 2018 16:18

For our info. Fedele going by the name Frederick

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Maybank Road Beechcroft Terrace, Woodford St Mary, West Ham, London & Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Richard Rossiter Head Married Male 39 1862 Sittingbourne, Kent, England Labourer In Brick Field
Jane Rossiter Wife Married Female 29 1872 Edmonton, Middlesex, England -
Olive Rossiter Daughter Single Female 17 1884 Edmonton, Middlesex, England -
Laura Rossiter Daughter Single Female 13 1888 Edmonton, Middlesex, England -
Henrietta Rossiter Daughter Single Female 10 1891 Edmonton, Middlesex, England -
Irene Rossiter Daughter Single Female 3 1898 Essex, England -
Richard L Rossiter Son - Male 0 1901 Essex, England -
Fredrick Mayo Boarder Married Male 28 1873 Italy Labourer On Railway
Queeney Mayo - Married Female 24 1877 Worcestershire, England -
Winifred A Mayo Daughter - Female 9 1892 Buckhurst Hill, Essex, England -
Fredrick H Mayo Son - Male 5 1896 Buckhurst Hill, Essex, England -

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 15 Feb 2018 16:21

Frederick mayo aged 28 labourer on railway has been left off the transcription of the 1901 census on Ancestry

Andrew

Andrew Report 15 Feb 2018 16:27

Could Sarah Annie and Queenie Florence be the same person??


Andy

Gerry

Gerry Report 15 Feb 2018 16:31

Yep, that is Queeny after her marriage. She seems to have come out of nowhere as does Sarah Ann. I was hoping that if I found Queeny I would find her probable sister Sarah Ann

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 15 Feb 2018 16:36

Her birth doesn't seem to reg as Queeny

Wonder if she is the same person who gave birth and used different names

Seems a coincidence to marry around the same time the child was born

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Feb 2018 17:30

If I was you I would buy a copy of the marriage certificate of Queeny.

It should give you her address at the time of marriage, which may help find her on 1891 census (after all it wasn't too far off)
Her occupation and if she was spinster, or widowed.
Her father's name and occupation, if known
It may also give witnesses names that may be relatives.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Feb 2018 21:07

Queenie's hubby in 1891 - one would imagine she wasn't too far away, as they would have needed time to get to know each other

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Epping New Road, Chigwell, Epping, Essex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Pasguale Mayo Head Married Male 45 1846 Italy Ice Cream Vendor Transcription
Filomenia Mayo Wife Married Female 47 1844 Italy - Transcription
Frank Mayo Son Married Male 24 1867 Italy Ice Cream Vendor Transcription
Fred Mayo Son Single Male 18 1873 Italy Ice Cream Vendor Transcription
Antiona Mayo Daughter Single Female 13 1878 Italy - Transcription
Clement Mayo Son - Male 8 1883 London, Middlesex, England Scholar Transcription
Mary Mayo Daughter - Female 5 1886 Essex, England Scholar Transcription
Jessie Mayo Daughter In Law Married Female 25 1866 Essex, England - Transcription
Rosa Emelia Mayo Granddaughter - Female 0 1891 Essex, England - Transcription
Frank Agostiono Boarder Married Male 29 1862 - Street Musician Transcription
Mary Agostiono Boarder Wife Married Female 27 1864 - Street Musician Transcription
- Agostiono Son - Male 9 1882 France - Transcription
Antonio Agostiono Son - Male 0 1891 Essex, England - Transcription
Filomena Onesto Boarder Married Female 35 1856 Italy - Transcription
? ? Onesto Son Single Male 14 1877 Italy Street Musician Transcription
Michele Onesto Son - Female 11 1880 Italy Street Musician Transcription
Peepine Onesto Son - Male 2 1889 Essex, England - Transcription