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I would appreciate if anyone with access to NY Census 1915/20 could locate anything relating to an Elizabeth Jay travelled to NY from Liverpool arriving 17 Sept.1912..b Liverpool aged 17yrs
Destination..
Grandmother Bridget Noonan 312 4th St. Rensselaer.Troy NY State.

Bridget Noonan was a widow and emigrated from Liverpool with daughters Helena/Henrietta/Hannah in 1897 to Rensselaer Troy NY State.

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Elizabeth Jay
United States Census, 1940
Name:
Elizabeth Jay
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1940
Event Place:
Ward 7, Utica, Utica City, Oneida, New York, United States
Sex:
Female
Age:
45
Marital Status:
Single
Race (Original):
White
Race:
White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
Daughter
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Birthplace:
England
Birth Year (Estimated):
1895
Last Place of Residence:
Same House
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Jane Jay
Head
Female
71
England
Elizabeth Jay
Daughter
Female
45
England
William G Jay
Son
Male
53
New York

Elizabeth Jay
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name:
Elizabeth Jay
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
31 Mar 1901
Event Place:
Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
County:
Norfolk
Civil Parish:
Great Yarmouth
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Yarmouth St Nicholas
Sub-District:
Yarmouth Southern
Registration District:
Yarmouth
Residence Note:
Row
Gender:
Female
Age:
6
Relationship to Head of Household:
Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated):
1895
Birthplace:
Liverpool, Lancashire
Schedule Type:
185
Page Number:
29
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
George Jay
Head
Male
29
Gt Yarmth, Norfolk
Mary A Jay
Wife
Female
26
Liverpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth Jay
Daughter
Female
6
Liverpool, Lancashire
Thomas Jay
Son
Male
3
Liverpool, Lancashire

This looks like Bridget and her daughters in 1915 but no Elizabeth Jay with them:


Bridget Noonon
in the New York, State Census, 1915

Name:
Bridget Noonon
Birth Year:
abt 1857
Birth Place:
Ireland
Age:
58
Gender:
Female
Residence Place:
Troy Ward 11, Rensselaer

Number of Years in US:
20

Household Members:

Bridget Noonon 58
Helena Noonon 26
Henrietta Noonon 24

Possible marriage?


Elizabeth Jay
in the Web: Rensselaer County, New York, Marriage Index, 1908-1935
Name:
Elizabeth Jay
Marriage Date:
24 Jul 1918
Marriage Place:
Rennselaer, New York, USA
Spouse:
William A McGrath

Thank You so much for the information....
Maylon...The Family Tree one for Onieda 1940 is wonderful to have as it also gives me her Mother who had "Disappeared" what a find !!!
The "Yarmouth" family is also correct..(lcomplicated story.)...

MagaretM...thank you for Bridget...Have found her 1920 with the Shaunessy's as a boarder but no children ...
Many Thanks once again..

An obituary for Bridget Noonan, Troy, NY says that she lived in Troy all her life.
It names 4 daughters Mrs. George Jay, Mrs. Peter Brunner, Mrs. Charles Phelps and Mrs. Thomas Osborne, 2 sisters Misses Elizabeth and Mary Condon and one grandaughter Mrs.William McGrath.
Are you sure she's yours?

An obituary for Mrs. Jane Wood Jay died 22 Jan. 1945, Elm St., Utica, NY.
Born Bristol, England 2 Jan. 1870, daughter of Thomas & Emma Westlake Wood.
Came to Utica about 50 years ago and married Mr. Jay in 1895. He died 31 May, 1933.
3 sons Sidney Jay, Sylacauga?, Ala, ; S.Sgt. Edward S., North Syracuse, now in India, ; Chief Warrant Officer William G., on leave from the Pacific area.
2 daughters Miss Elizabeth M. Jay, Utica and Mrs. John Newell Freer. Bellafontain, Ohio.
Also 3 grandchildren and several sisters in England.

MargaretM...Thank you and yes she is the one I am after..
The Mrs George Jay is the mother of the Elizabeth Jay...although how she is named Jane Jay if the one in Onieda 1940 is correct I don't know..!!!

Bridget Noonan nee Condon was married to James Noonan and lived in Liverpool .Prior to Bridgets' departure to Troy (1897) she was widowed...her daughter "Mrs George Jay" (Mary Ann to be precise) married 1894 a Mr George Jay (Liverpool and Yarmouth) Elizabeth was the eldest daughter of that marriage....
Bridget originally was living in Troy with her sister in law Johanna McGrath Condon widow of Joseph Condon.

British & Irish Roots Collection Transcription

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First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Jay
Sex Female
Age 23
Birth year 1897
Birth place England
Nationality American
Origin country England
Year 1920
Destination country United States
Residence place , Oneida, New York
County Oneida
State New York
Father's birth place England
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Mother's last name Jay
Source dataset Us Census 1920



1920 US Census Transcription
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Alfred H Jay Self Married Male 47 1873 England
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Jane Jay Wife Married Female 50 1870 England
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Elizabeth Jay Daughter Single Female 23 1897 England
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Alfred S Jay Son Single Male 20 1900 New York
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Emma M Jay Daughter Single Female 18 1902 New York
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Edward S Jay Son Single Male 13 1907 New York
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William G Jay Son Single Male 2 1918 New York

Alfred and Jane emigrated 1891 and Elizabeth in 1898 so not your family?

MargaretM..The Onieda one is not mine..after all...!!

I thought " Jay" wouldn't be so difficult but it appears to be just that...

Thank You for your interest.

Bridget had had 5 children, 4 were still living. The names Joseph D Condon 55 and his wife,Johannah 45 are just above.

1900 US Census Transcription
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Bridget Noonan Self Widowed Female 43 1857 Ireland
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Helena Noonan Daughter Single Female 19 1881 England
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Henrietta Noonan Daughter Single Female 16 1884 England
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Hannah Noonan Daughter Single Female 14 1886 England

City/township Troy
County Rensselaer
State New York




Ages are a bit out?

1910 US Census Transcription
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year
Bridget Noonan Self Widowed Female 55 1855
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Ellen Noonan Daughter Single Female 24 1886
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Henrietta Noonan Daughter Single Female 20 1890
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Hannah Noonan Daughter Single Female 18 1892
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Mary Noonan Sister-in-law Single Female 50 1860

City/township Troy Ward 11
County Rensselaer
State New York

1911 for Elizabeth.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 in 4 Court Northumberland St Liverpool, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George H Jay Head Married Male 39 1872 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk Fisherman
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Mary Ann Jay Wife Married Female 36 1875 Liverpool -
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Elizabeth Jay Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Liverpool -
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Thomas J Jay Son - Male 13 1898 Liverpool School
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Kathleen Jay Daughter - Female 9 1902 Gt Yarmouth Co Norfolk -
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Ruby Jay Daughter - Female 8 1903 Gt Yarmouth Co Norfolk -
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Mary Ann Jay Daughter - Female 4 1907 Gt Yarmouth Co Norfolk -


George Henry is widowed by 1939.

Jay Household (1 Person) 41 Dwerryhouse Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
George H Jay 05 Oct 1871 Male Dock Lab Widowed 75 1


But there is this entry which may be her? She is married not widowed and is in a home for the old and infirm. This lady dies in 1956 I think.

1939 Register

241 Kirkdale Homes Westminster Road , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Role DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mary Ann Jay I 29 Oct 1874 Female Unpaid Domestic Du Widowed 1 186

Alviegal...The above is astonishing...!!

I was aware of the 1911 Census but 1939 details are certainly something new as it was believed Mary Ann went to US..and left the family behind...on Elizabeths sailing manifest she named as "friend" as contact in Liverpool....the 2 younger sisters Ruby and Kathleen both died in Liverpool ...
very very strange to say the least....

It is certainly very strange. I have been looking for William A McGrath who married Elizabeth Jay, who would obviously become Elizabeth McGrath.
This one keeps showing.


1930 US Census Transcription
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Household Members
Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Sex Age Birth year Marital status
New York William A Mc Grath Head Male 36 1894 Married
fireman
England Lillian J Mc Grath Wife Female 32 1898 Married
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New York William D Mc Grath Son Male 8 1922 Single
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New York John J Mc Grath Son Male 6 1924 Single
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New York Thomas F Mc Grath Son Male 1 1929 Single

Seemingly Lillian is Lillian Joy (middle name or surname I'm not sure) and she emigrated in 1910.

Here is a picture of their gravestone with a birth year of 1895 for her.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/101089756#view-photo=71304613


There most probably is no connection at all but I thought I would incude this just in case.

Thank you for the continuing interest Alviegal...
I couldn't find a William McGrath and Elizabeth together either...but I am wondering if Lillian could be Lizzie mis-transcribed..given that they are sometimes very suspect I will check that out year of birth is correct...

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Noonan-241

Now I am totally perplexed....the above doesn't make sense especially the photograph of mother Bridget with 3 girls one with MA written on...


I have come to the conclusion after hours and hours of searching and cross checking...that Elizabeth Jay some how became Lillian Joy along the way ..seeing the Marriage Cert to William seems to be the only way to confirm this puzzle...

Web: Troy, New York, St Mary's Cemetery Index, 1840 - 2013 (Ancestry)

(that 1970 William on above, but not seeing Lillian, or any Mcgrath 1985)

Chris :)

(you might have below, but as they came up!)

All Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1987 (Ancestry)

Ruby Jay abt 1903 (Burial) 17 May 1913 Ford Cemetery

(not seeing Kathleen)


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Great Yarmouth
Church name St Nicholas
Register type Transcript
Register entry number 2506
Baptism date 14 Nov 1871
Birth date 05 Oct 1871
Person forename George Henry
Father forename Thomas William
Father surname JAY
Father occupation Sailor
Mother forename Elizabeth

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Edits

United States, World War One (WWI) Draft Registration Cards,1917-1918 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) William A
Last name McGrath
Sex Male
Birth year 1893
Birth date 18 Oct 1893
Place of birth as transcribed Troy,New York
Birth country United States
Registration year 1917-1918
Citizenship country United States
Residence Troy City No 1
State New York
(occ. Fireman, Home Address, 5, Madison Pl. Troy. Single, Dated 5th June (not seeing year!)


(notes for her on 1930,1940 Census states Na, should be something about in below records perhaps?)

United States Naturalization

Chris...Lilian Joy is on the headstone with Wm. also grandson Daniel J McGrath 1959-1960

I have located Ruby's Burial. (Ford Cemetery).address of death given as West Derby Union...I cannot locate Kathleen's Burial either.

Mary Ann NOONAN married George JAY St Alban's RC Church July 1894 .

Mary Ann JAY...(the line I am following) married a Robert Garritt I.O.M sometime in the 1920s

Thomas Jay went back and settled in Yarmouth.(That's for another time)

Don't you just wish sometime you'd never started !!!

(yes, saw gravestone, but not seeing her on that Cemetery Index, odd, lol)

Chris :)

(shame you're busy at the moment, lol, things 'Irish' getting closer for Deborah on below, not much help me, but AQ getting there!)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1370379?d=desc


Edits (below on FMP, but not seeing a Marriage, not Robert Leslie Garrett (Birth 1906 Liverpool) was it?)

Isle Of Man, Births and Baptisms 1600-2010
Life Events (BMDs) Parish Baptisms 540,526

Isle Of Man, Deaths and Burials 1598-2011
Life Events (BMDs) Parish Burials 292,322

Isle Of Man, Marriages 1598-1979

Chris....I don't know if RLG was born in Liverpool would have to check with the daughter in Law but I am not much good with anything that's not either Irish or Scottish..!! Do know that the Garrett children were born on IOM.
I am wondering if Lilian J was not buried with Willie Mc but that her name was on the gravestone.....