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Thirza Jones b.1915

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Tanja

Tanja Report 19 Feb 2018 19:21

Thanks for all your help and research! Really excited that I have info on Thirza Edwards' family too - you've been a great help!! Thank you all :)

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Feb 2018 11:10

Name: Henry Edwards
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emedily Edwards
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: West Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Pillowell
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Coleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 230
Piece: 5299
Folio: 46
Page Number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Edwards 28
Emedily Edwards 25
Mary E Edwards 4
Thomas H Edwards 2
Keziah Edwards 4 Months

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Feb 2018 09:26

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Blakeney Hill, Dean Forest, Westbury on Severn, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Adam James Male 50 1791 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Sarah James Female 50 1791 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Rachel James Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Ann James Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Joseph James Male 15 1826 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
John James Male 13 1828 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Eliza James Female 11 1830 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
James James Male 10 1831 Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Elizabeth James Female 8 1833 Gloucestershire, England



Name: Adam James
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Jan 1811
Marriage Place: English Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse: Sarah Davis

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Feb 2018 09:23

JAMES Emily FROWEN 1845 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 3 493

Name: Adam James
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 20 Jun 1842
Marriage Place: St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Adam James
Spouse: Amelia Frowen
Name: Amelia Frowen
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: Full age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 20 Jun 1842
Marriage Place: St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
Father: John Frowen
Spouse: Adam James

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Feb 2018 09:20

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lane End, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Adam James Head Married Male 37 1814 Wood Cutter East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Emily James Wife Married Female 32 1819 - Newland, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Emily James Daughter - Female 6 1845 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
Thirza James Daughter - Female 4 1847 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Transcription
- James Son - Male 0 1851 - West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Feb 2018 09:20

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Butlers Row, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry Edwards Head Married Male 40 1841 Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales Coaker Steel Transcription
Emily Edwards Wife Married Female 35 1846 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England - Transcription
Mary E Edwards Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Thomas H Edwards Son Single Male 12 1869 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Richard Edwards Son Single Male 9 1872 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Emily Edwards Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Alice Edwards Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
Thora Edwards Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
George Edwards Son Single Male 1 1880 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England -



From the free site GlosBMD


EDWARDS Emily JAMES 1870 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 26 70
EDWARDS Keziah JAMES 1870 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 27 82
EDWARDS Mary Elizabeth JAMES 1866 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 22 247
EDWARDS Thomas Henry JAMES 1869 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 25 22
EDWARDS Emily JAMES 1873 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 30 164
EDWARDS Richard JAMES 1872 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 28 324
EDWARDS Agness JAMES 1875 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 32 330 (probably ALICE on census)

Baptisms

Record
Mary Elizabeth Edwards
2 Dec 1866 Forest of Dean, Christchurch Henry,
Emily

Thirza Edwards
8 Oct 1876 Bream Henry,
Emily

Kerzia Edwards
18 Dec 1870 Bream Henry,
Emily

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jan 2018 17:04

Ah, well, in that case we can discount all the Georges we've suggested, apart from the one with father William and mother Eliza(beth).

1881 and 1891 censuses already posted but copied again here for ease of reference;

George Jones
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Eliza Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Railway Ter
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5251
Folio: 69
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 33
Mary A. Jones 11
George Jones 8
John Jones 4
Annie Jones 2
Sarah Jones
Eliza Jones 32 - wife


George Jones
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Pontnewynydd
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 21 Railway Parade
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 4362
Folio: 65
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 44
Elizabeth Jones 43
George Jones 17 - roller (ironworks)
John Jones 15
Esther Jones 10
Frederick Jones 6

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 31 Jan 2018 16:23

For reference posted above...

Chris :)

Monmouthshire Marriages and Banns Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Thirza
Last name Edwards
Age 20
Birth year 1875
Year 1895
Event Marriage
Marriage year 1895
Marriage date 26 Dec 1895
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Jones
Place Abersychan
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Spouse's first name(s) George (Bachelor, occ. Engine Driver)
Spouse's last name Jones
Spouse's age 23
Spouse's father's first name(s) William (occ. Engine Driver)
Spouse's father's last name Jones
(her Father, Henry Edwards (Deceased) Labourer. Wits. George Brain, Emily Edwards)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jan 2018 15:47

As ArgyllGran has already said, the marriage certificate for George and Thirza is definitely needed to correctly identify your George Jones.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2018 15:14

In the same area as George as posted above

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Butlers Row, Broad Street, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Henry Edwards Head Married Male 49 1842 - Labourer Transcription
Emily Edwards Wife Married Female 44 1847 Gloucestershire, England - Transcription
Thomas Hy Edwards Son Married Male 22 1869 Gloucestershire, England Coal Miner Transcription
Richard Edwards Son Married Male 19 1872 - Haulier Transcription
Emily Edwards Daughter Single Female 17 1874 - Machinist Transcription
Agnes Edwards Daughter Single Female 15 1876 - Machinist Transcription
Thirza Edwards Daughter Single Female 14 1877 Gloucestershire, England Scholar Transcription
George Edwards Son Single Male 11 1880 - Scholar Transcription
Elizabeth Edwards Daughter Single Female 10 1881 Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar Transcription
Eliza Edwards Daughter Single Female 6 1885 Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar Transcription


Birth of above

EDWARDS Thirza JAMES 1876 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 34 183


And baptism

Name: Thirza Edwards
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1876
Baptism Place: Bream, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Bream, St James
Father: Henry Edwards
Mother: Emily Edwards

Parents' marriage

Name: Henry Edwards
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 21
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1844
Marriage Date: 17 Dec 1865
Marriage Place: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Father: John Farr - Farmer
Spouse: Emily James

Name: Emily James
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1845
Marriage Date: 17 Dec 1865
Marriage Place: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Adam James - Woodcutter

Witnesses Adam James and Thirza James

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 31 Jan 2018 15:07



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
22, Unthank Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Jones Head Married Male 27 1874 Wales Sheet Roller At Ironworks Transcription
Thirza Jones Wife Married Female 24 1877 Wales - Transcription
Agnes Jones Daughter Single Female 4 1897 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England -

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2018 23:44


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

Sarah Jones Head Widow Female 48 1843 Monmouthshire, Wales -
Charles John Jones Son Single Male 22 1869 Monmouthshire, Wales Labourer
George Jones Son Single Male 18 1873 Monmouthshire, Wales Labourer
Llewellyn Jones Son Single Male 14 1877 Monmouthshire, Wales Labourer
William Williams Lodger Married Male 55 1836 Carmarthenshire, Wales Labourer
William Micham Lodger Single Male 18 1873 Gloucestershire, England Labourer

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2018 23:23


JONES, GEORGE HILL Order
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 11A Page 158 Order

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jan 2018 22:31

If Sarah was indeed unmarried when George was born, it doesn't look as if that can be the right family - unless her maiden name was also Jones:


James Wm Jones
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: James Wm Jones
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Sarah Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Pontypool
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
Town: Pontypool
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 326
Piece: 5331
Folio: 99
Page Number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 38
Sarah Jones 28
Charles Jno Jones 2
James Wm Jones 1



EDIT:

JONES, CHARLES JOHN mms HILL Order
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 11A Page 127

Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
Hill Sarah Abergavenny 11a 93
JONES John Abergavenny 11a 93

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jan 2018 22:18

If George has given the correct DOB on the 1939 register, this may be him in 1881


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Street, Trevethin with Pontypool, Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales

Sarah Jones Wife Head Widow Female 38 1843 Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Shopkeeper (Gen)
Charles J Jones Son Single Male 12 1869 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
James William Jones Son Single Male 11 1870 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
George Jones Son Single Male 8 1873 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
Llewellyn Jones Son Single Male 4 1877 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Scholar
Henry Williams Lodger Single Male 17 1864 - Goods Porter

Tanja

Tanja Report 30 Jan 2018 20:13

Thanks so much for your help, this is fantastic!!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jan 2018 15:59

In case it's relevant - this is the second of those families in 1881:

George Jones
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Eliza Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Railway Ter
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5251
Folio: 69
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 33
Mary A. Jones 11
George Jones 8
John Jones 4
Annie Jones 2
Sarah Jones
Eliza Jones 32 - wife



EDIT:

And the first family, with mother Rebecca:


George Jones
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Jones
Mother's name: Rebecca Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Church Road
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5251
Folio: 84
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
John Jones 31
Rebecca Jones 29
George Jones 7
John Jones 4
Fanny L. Jones 2

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jan 2018 15:52

If the 1911 census posted by Kathleen is the correct one, there are two possibilities for George in 1891:


George Jones
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Rebecca Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Pontnewynydd
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 9 Mill Road
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 4362
Folio: 53
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Rebecca Jones 38
George Jones 17 - coal miner
John Jones 14
Elizah Jones 9 - [ Elijah, a son, on image]
David Rowlands 25 - lodger


George Jones
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: George Jones
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Jones
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Pontnewynydd, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Trevethin
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Pontnewynydd
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 21 Railway Parade
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 4362
Folio: 65
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jones 44
Elizabeth Jones 43
George Jones 17 - roller (ironworks)
John Jones 15
Esther Jones 10
Frederick Jones 6


You might need to buy the marriage cert (posted above by Kathleen) to see George's occupation, and his father's name.
His address might also be helpful.
And witnesses' names might provide clues.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 30 Jan 2018 13:43

This looks like the marriage of your great-grandparents:-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
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First name(s) GEORGE
Last name JONES
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1895
Registration month -
MarriageFinderâ„¢ GEORGE JONES married
Thurza Edwards
District Pontypool
District number -
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 237
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

Rambling

Rambling Report 30 Jan 2018 13:42

Son born 1946 to Thirza and Cyril, probably still living so you can ses name on freebmd.org.uk using surnames Mossop/Jones in search fields.

Possible marriage Teeside 1968?

and is possibly on 2014 electoral roll Cleveland area.