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Glyn
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4 Feb 2018 20:09 |
Yes only just up the road a few miles from Keynsham. Seems it could well be. Thanks everyone. Glyn
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Mary
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4 Feb 2018 16:28 |
Could be Austin Bradford on Avon looks very close to Somerset border.
Maryb.
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2018 11:15 |
Mary, wondering if this is Edward and Mary in 1871. Their place of birth is out, but the ages are right and Edward is a farm labourer as in 1881:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Hanham Road, Bitton, Keynsham, Gloucestershire, England
Edward Holloway Lodger - Male 24 1847 Farmer's labourer Somerset, England Mary Holloway Wife - Female 27 1844 - Somerset, England John Holloway Son - Male 1 1870 - Somerset, England
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4 Feb 2018 11:01 |
Just annoying we cant find Mary and Edwin/Edward in 1871 or Alfred Hobbs 1871.
Maryb.
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Chris Ho :)
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4 Feb 2018 10:43 |
(well all thanks to your good self AQ, for adding that 1881 Census, gave a bit more to work from, lol)
Chris :)
(going out shortly, but am sure they will still be on my mind, lol, gets you like that!)
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AustinQ
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4 Feb 2018 10:32 |
Nice work Mary and Chris! It's great when it all comes together.
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Glyn
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4 Feb 2018 10:25 |
Thank you both
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Chris Ho :)
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4 Feb 2018 09:20 |
(have now added other Census for Huntleys, see below posting...(1861 they were also Wine Street)
(and wherever Edward/Edwin and Mary were 1871, she had just lost her Mother Maria, her Death 1871 mar qtr.)
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Mary
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4 Feb 2018 08:51 |
Also we have a connection with a Edwin being around Wine Street where the Hobbs family lived!!
Maryb
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4 Feb 2018 08:15 |
Glyn, I think you need to read back, perhaps take some time to digest...
(Mary Huntley/Hobbs probably had a better life with Edward/Edwin Holloway, by the looks of things!)
Chris :)
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4 Feb 2018 08:08 |
No sorry Chris I missed that. I was a bit confused about the Hobbs connection. The family is definitely Holloway not Hobbs. It’s spelt in various ways on the census Holloway, Hollaway, Holdaway..and apart from Edwin/ Edward they lived in Bratton Westbury. I know that’s not very far from Bradford on Avon but I don’t think the Hobbs and Huntley connection is correct. Thank you for trying Glyn
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4 Feb 2018 07:50 |
Have added the 1864 Marriage references, posted by Mary above...
Chris :)
Marriages Jun 1864 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------- Hobbs Alford Bradford W 5a 213 Huntley Mary Ann Bradford W 5a 213
Wiltshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns (Ancestry)
Name: Alfred Hobbs (Bachelor, occ. Labourer) Gender: Male Age: 25 Birth Date: abt 1839 Marriage or Bann Date: 26 Jun 1864 Marriage or Bann Place: Westwood, Wiltshire, England Parish as it Appears: Westwood Father: Job Hobbs (occ. Labourer) Spouse: Mary A Huntley ( 21. Spinster) Father: William Huntley (witnesses, George St?, May ann Huntley)
(and his Mother below I would say)
All Wiltshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)
Mary Hobbs abt 1796 1 Mar 1887 Westwood (Abode, The Union)
(and Mary Huntley below, notes Bradford as Birthplace on 1881 posted earlier by AQ)
Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)
Name: Mary Ann Huntley Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1843 Baptism Place: Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, England Parish as it Appears: Bradford Father:William Huntley (occ. Labourer) Mother: Maria Huntley
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Chris Ho :)
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4 Feb 2018 07:35 |
Glyn did you miss my posting, see the below one...
(it's not that 1866 Marriage, his Father is Richard Holloway)
Chris :)
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Glyn
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3 Feb 2018 22:53 |
Sorry Chris and Mary, I meant since you told me all that extra info, and AustinQ that I found Edwin/ Edward. Not that I’d found him before. I couldn’t trace him. However, you’re right about John Holloway 1841 as he’s Edwin’s brother, but then Edwin has a son called John!!! The names John, Edward, and George keep reoccurring in the family. I also discovered that the surname was mis spelt in different ways on the censuses, so that doesn’t help either. I found two Edward Holloway’s in Bristol area who could be the one in question, one died in 1907 the other in 1915. I did manage with your help to find Edwin on 1861 1871 1881 and 1891 census. That’s all so far but without your help I wouldn’t have got so far. There is Edwin Holloway marrying Mary Ann Ridler in Gloucester district in 1866, so I wonder if this is his wife not the other ones mentioned? Thanks again for the help you’ve given me. Edwin is missing no longer
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3 Feb 2018 20:46 |
(oh lol, not Nimrod again!!)
Chris :)
http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/birthsearch.php
(Hobbs/Huntley Births on above)
(might be below!)
02 June 1883 - Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser - Trowbridge
A Mother And Her Ungrateful Sons. Alfred Hobbs and Simon Hobbs were summoned to show cause as to why they should not contribute to the support of their aged mother, Mary Hobbs, who was chargeable to the Guardians of the Union. Mr. A. Beavan, clerk to the Board, stated that it was the worst case he had ever known, and the sons had declared that "rather than pay anything to their mother they would see her in h- " (shame). The whole family had been an expense to the union in former years, and had shown themselves most ungrateful for the help they received....
1861 (Find My Past) Job Hobbs Head Married Male 73 1788 Agricultural Labourer Westwood, Wiltshire, England Mary Hobbs Wife Married Female 65 1796 Agricultural Labourer Westwood, Wiltshire, England Simon Hobbs Son Unmarried Male 25 1836 Agricultural Labourer Westwood, Wiltshire, England Alfred Hobbs Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Agricultural Labourer Westwood, Wiltshire, England Silas Hobbs Son Unmarried Male 19 1842 Agricultural Labourer Westwood, Wiltshire, England Lower Westwood, Westwood, Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire,
(so chances are then, Find Edward 1871, and Mary could be with him)...
Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 (Ancestry)
Alfred Hobbes 19 Apr 1840 Westwood Job (occ. Labourer) Mary
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3 Feb 2018 20:43 |
Well what about this.
John Hobbs mum nee Huntley Bradford Wiltshire j qtr 1870 V05a P 135 bap by mary ann and Alfred hobbs.
Alfred Hobbs 25 dad Job married 26/6/1864 to Mary Ann Hantty dad William Huntley. They also had Mary Jane 1868 Caroline 1866 in 1871 they are visiting Thomas Gerrish who married Ann Hobbs born 1823 her mum was Mary Hobbs 1795.
Mary Jane Hobbs baptised by Alfred and Mary Ann of WINE St (same address for Nimrod Hunt mentioned above).
On baptism for John in 1870 they were at Wine street.
If John Holloway 1870 is actually John Hobbs then Mary Ann wasn't free to marry Edwin/Edward!!
No sign of Alfred 1871 but 1881 he is a lodger on his own but married. Can't find Mary Ann or John Hobbs in 1871.
Maryb.
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Chris Ho :)
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3 Feb 2018 20:29 |
(wished you would have said, lol, thought he was missing after 1861, or have I missed something somewhere, you said he had disappeared without a trace!)...
Chris :)
Below is that reference, but doesn't fit with childrens Births on 1881 posted above?...(Mother Maiden Name as Huntley)
Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------- BLOODWORTH Joseph Gloucester 6a 471 HOLLOWAY Edwin Gloucester 6a 471 RIDLER Mary A Gloucester 6a 471 Walters Eliza Gloucester 6a 471
(scratches head again lol!)
(no no checked above on Ancestry, Glos., his Father was Richard Holloway, occ. Sawyer)
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Glyn
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3 Feb 2018 20:21 |
I’ve traced Edward (Edwin) on 1871 1881 and 1891 censuses. However Chris and Mary I’m not sure about the Huntley connection. I’ve found Edwin Holloway m Mary A Ridler in 1866 and I think that’s the Mary Ann of the censuses. What do you think guys?
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3 Feb 2018 18:50 |
(things not getting any easier then, lol, did see Edward with Martha on 1871, thought a bit odd, did check earlier that 1865 Marriage on FMP for Mary Huntley, just says Edney!)
Chris :)
1901 (Find My Past) (Reference, before 1907 Death) Edward Holloway Head Married Male 54 1847 Westbury, Wiltshire, England Gardener's Labourer Mary Holloway Wife Married Female 57 1844 Westbury, Wiltshire, England - Harry Holloway Son Single Male 24 1877 Stoke Bishop, Gloucestershire, England General Haulier George Holloway Son Single Male 14 1887 Horfield, Gloucestershire, England General Errand Boy 3, Prospect Place, Bristol, Gloucestershire
(so Edward needed 1871)...
(in case her below, if it helped lead to Edward/Edwin)
1851 (Find My Past) William Huntly Head Married Male 40 1811 Masons Bradford, Wiltshire, England Maria Huntly Wife Married Female 38 1813 Wool Burler Bradford, Wiltshire, England Mary Huntly Daughter Unmarried Female 7 1844 - Bradford, Wiltshire, England Morgans Hill, Bradford, Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire (other siblings also)
1861 (Find My Past) William Huntly Head Married Male 53 1808 Labourer Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, England Maria Huntly Wife Married Female 49 1812 Cloth Worker Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, England Thomas Huntly Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Labourer Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, England John Huntly Son Unmarried Male 8 1853 Scholar Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire, England Edward Gibbons Lodger Married Male 80 1781 - Bradford Leigh, Wiltshire, England Priscilla Bolton Lodger Married Female 34 1827 Cloth Worker Devon, England John Ross Lodger Unmarried Male 34 1827 Labourer Winsley Noahs Ark, Wine Street, Bradford, Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire
1871 (Find My Past) William Hunley Head - Male 64 (Widower) 1807 - Wiltshire, England John Hunley Son - Male 18 1853 - Wiltshire, England New Town (Noahs Ark), Bradford, Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire
Deaths Mar 1871 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------- HUNTLEY Maria 57 Bradford, W. 5a 98
Deaths Dec 1874 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------------- HUNTLEY William 68 Bradford, W. 5a 80
Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1843
HUNTLEY Mary A OTTERIDGE Bradford on Avon South Eastern History
(FMP Marriage (no image) 1832, Winsley, Wilts. William Huntley/Maria Vatridge, Witness as James Otridge)
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3 Feb 2018 15:41 |
1911 24 Exmoor street Bristol john Holloway 1870 westbury a sawyer married 12 years no children Ellen 1874
Marriage 11/8/1898 Clifton Ellen Sly dad John Sly. John Holloway dad Edward.
Edward Holloway 1847-1907 Bristol V6a P132 Mary Ann Holloway 1845-July 1901 Bristol.
Problem William Walter Holloway 1874 mum nee rogers born Westbury
Parents of above and John 1870 looks like these John Holloway 1841 dad George married Ann Rodgers/Rogers 1864 her parents Thomas and Ann Rogers.
Edward Edney married Martha Ann Ford Emily L Edney 1870 mum nee Ford Edward Edney 1873 mum nee ford . so who did Mary Ann Huntley marry in 1865??
Looks like she could have married George Barber and they had twins George William and Sarah Ann Barber mum nee Huntley 1871 both died.
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