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Hi ArgyllGran.

I was of same opinion as you but that is what is shown on the birth certificate. On my fathers birth certificate dated 05/01/1921, it states Richard John Jones
Pensioner on Medical Treatment Ex Army.

Will try yours above.

Regards.

Graham.

HI,
Brand new at this Robert (Bob) and Bessie were my Grandmother and Grandfather. Was your father Len Graham?

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The OP’s surname is Jones

Hi All, we seem to be on the trail of Robert John Jones, appears he disappeared to the USA.

???

Richard John Jones
in the U.S., Applications for Seaman's Protection Certificates, 1916-1940
Name: Richard John Jones
Age: 44
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1889
Birth Place: Wales
Application Date: 6 Dec 1933
Application Place: New York, New York, USA
Record Type: Application

He declared his intention to become a US citizen at San Francisco.
He'd served 3 years in US ship SS Virginia, as assistant steward.

There's a photo of him on the document.
Height 5ft 6in.
Blue eyes, ruddy complexion, medium grey hair.

Richard John Jones
in the U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Richard John Jones
Gender: Male
Residence Age: 53
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1889
Residence Date: 1942
Residence Place: San Francisco, California

Address: Burbank Hotel, San Francisco.
Employer: Matson Navigation Co, San Francisco.
Occupation: seaman
Person who will always know your address: Mrs A Rieman, 1354 Interstate Ave, Portland, California.

His description now gives him brown eyes, though everything else is the same.

Richard John Jones
in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997
Name: Richard John Jones
Social Security #: 545209681
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1889 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Birth Place: Other Country
Death Date: 14 Dec 1951
Death Place: San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name: Jones
Father's Surname: Owen


Owen as mistranscription of Onslow ?
(or vice versa ?!)



Richard Jones
in the California, San Francisco Area Funeral Home Records, 1895-1985
Name: Richard Jones
Gender: Male
Race: Caucasian (White)
Birth Date: 4 Feb 1889
Birth Place: Wales
Age: 62
Death Date: 14 Dec 1951
Spouse: Mabel Jones
Father: Owen Jones
Mother: Jane Jones
Funeral Home: Godeau Funeral Home

Therefore one of these births?

JONES, RICHARD JOHN ms EVANS
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in CARNARVON Volume 11B Page 398

JONES, RICHARD JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in HOLYHEAD Volume 11B Page 467


If the first one, there are several marriages of people named Owen Jones and Jane Evans, in Carnarvon and other places, in the years before 1889.

Can't see a Richard/Owen/Jane family in Wales in 1891.
Nor a Richard/Jane family where father could have been at sea.


EDIT: but of course his mother's mms was Jones, per records above - so he's not the Carnarvon one.


EDIT again - I see I posted the Holyhead birth already, on page 1.

So if his mother's maiden name was Jones, there are lots of possible Owen Jones /Jane Jones marriages.

It's a pity none of the records say where in Wales Richard John was born.


??? Long shot: [ EDIT: no! ]

Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%
Jones Jane Bangor 11b 766
Jones Owen Richard Bangor 11b 766

(just adding below, not much time at moment!)

Chris :)

Anglesey Baptisms (Find My Past)

First name(s) Richard John
Last name Jones
Birth year 1889
Baptism year 1889
Baptism date 27 Feb 1889
Place Caergybi / Holyhead
County Anglesey
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Michael (no occupation given)
Mother's first name(s) Jane
Page 135
(Abode, Cross Street)


1891 (Find My Past)
Owen Jones Head Married Male 52 1839 Stoker On Steamship Anglesey, Wales
Jane Jones Wife Married Female 53 1838 - -
Jane Michael Jones Daughter Married Female 21 1870 Dressmaker Lancashire, England
Amelia Cath Jones Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Dressmaker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Richard Ino Jones Grandson - Male 2 1889 -
Cross Street, Holyhead, Anglesey


1881
Owen Jones Head Married Male 42 1839 Fireman Steam Vessel Llangristiolus, Anglesey, Wales
Jane Jones Wife Married Female 45 1836 Wife Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales
Jane M Jones Daughter Single Female 14 1867 Dressmaker Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Owen Jones Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Amelia Jones Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire, England
24, Cross Street, Holyhead, Anglesey


1871
Richard Davies Head - Male 40 1831 - Cardiganshire, Wales
Mary Davies Wife - Female 42 1829 - Anglesey, Wales
Catherine Williams Mother-In-Law - Female 71 1800 - Anglesey, Wales
Jane Jones Visitor - Female 32 1839 - Anglesey, Wales
Jane Micheal Jones Visitor - Female 6 1865 - Lancashire, England
Owen Jones Visitor - Male 1 1870 - Lancashire, England
William Hugh Davies Son - Male 7 1864 - Lancashire, England
Old Cross Street, Holyhead, Anglesey,

Yes,, just found that family:

Richard J Jones
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: Richard J Jones
Age in 1901: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Mother: Jane Michael Daw
Gender: Male
Where born: Anglesea, Holyhead
Civil Parish: Holyhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cybi and St Seiriol
County/Island: Anglesey
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Holyhead
Sub-registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 61
Piece: 5299
Folio: 9
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Michael Daw 34 - Liverpool, married
Richard J Jones 12

Also listed, but not transcribed on Ancestry;

Janes father Owen Jones, 63, widowed, coal porter, Holyhead.

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Daw Thomas John Stoke D. 5b 619
Dawe Thomas John Stoke D. 5b 619
Jones Jane Michal Stoke D. 5b 619

Possibly Thomas??

Thomas J Dawe
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Thomas J Dawe
Gender: Male
Marital status: Widowed
Birth Date: 19 Oct 1868
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 44 Macey St
Residence Place: Torpoint, Cornwall, England
Occupation: Naval Pensioner <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Schedule Number: 125
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: WAWA
Registration district: 291.1.
Household Members:
Name
Matilda Sherrell
Thomas J Dawe
Ruth N Griffin
Reginald A Griffin


Thomas John Daw
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Thomas John Daw
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Crew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Torpoint, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Devonport
Sub-registration district: St Aubyn
ED, institution, or vessel: Renard
Neighbors:
Piece: 2108
Folio: 89
Page Number: 1
Household schedule number: 1

Married. 1st Class Petty Officer.



???
Thomas Daw
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas Daw
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Antony, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Penrith
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address: 22 Southend Road
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Post Office Cleaner (penswner)
Registration district: Penrith
Registration District Number: 571
Sub-registration district: Penrith
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Piece: 31216
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Daw 42
Jannie Daw 44 - Kirkdale, Liverpool

Married 14 years.
No children - but Richard was born before the marriage, so not Thomas's son.



A previous marriage for Jane??

Jane Michael Jones
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Jane Michael Jones
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Anglesey
Inferred County: Anglesey
Volume: 11b
Page: 681
Records on Page:
Name
Jane Michael Jones
John Roberts
Elizabeth Williams
Humphrey Williams

Jannie M Daw
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Jannie M Daw
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: abt 1866
Registration Date: Oct 1934
[Nov 1934]
[Dec 1934]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 68

(below was sad death of other daughter, Holyhead)

Chris :)

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3601896/3601902/103/

Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------
Dawe Thomas John Holyhead 11b 849
Jones Amelia Catharine Holyhead 11b 849


Deaths Mar 1894 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Dawe Amelia Catherine 20 Holyhead 11b 405

(in line up of Mourners in article above, not seeing a Michael mentioned, Father of Richard John)

(penny just dropped, lol, Jane Michael was Mother?)

(on 1897 Marriage image (FMP) Thomas John, Bachelor, Jane Michael, Spinster, his Father, Thomas, occ. Pensioner, her Father, Owen Jones, occ. Stoker)

So Richard took his grandfather's name Owen as his father's name - probably didn't know who his father was.

Chris, you said Amelia was "other daughter" - I think you meant she was Thomas's first wife ?

Edit:
Oh, I see - she was also Jane's sister, so "other daughter" of Jane's parents.

(yes, bit of a coincidence, both daughters Marrying a Thomas John Daw (e), his Marriage to Jane 1897, claims he is a Bachelor, Spinster, for her, can't see an image for 1893 of Amelia)

Chris :)

(probably more in below to found)

https://newspapers.library.wales/search/advanced


Edits

(not seeing an image for that below one either!)

Marriages Sep 1883 (>99%)
---------------------------------------------------------
Jones Jane Michael Anglesey 11b 681
ROBERTS John Anglesey 11b 681
WILLIAMS Elizabeth Anglesey 11b 681
WILLIAMS Humphrey Anglesey 11b 681


https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6657176

ADM 188/171/128097

Name Daw, Thomas John
Official Number: 128097
Place of Birth: Antony, Cornwall
Date of Birth: 19 April 1869
Date:
[1884]


Burial
Day Month 02-Nov
Year 1948
Parish Or Reg District Torpoint
Forename Thomas John
Surname DAWE
Age 81

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

(was Son of Thomas and Matilda)

I suspect he was probably the same man.

His stated marital status could depend on how the registrar worded the question.