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he was b much marcle 1877-1946 he marr mary ann pocknell1875-1958 marr ledbury 1902 they lived around much marcle/ledbury area for a while, then moved to shirehampton near Bristol[ date not known] they hard 3 girls. he lived in much marcle with his g/dad felix baker, and his sister gretrude and he was called sometimes daug /son but both were g/kids both b out of wedlockI would like to know who is mother was felix had about 4 daug louisa 1849, emma 1865.rhoda 1854, caroline 1860.
Gertude went to USA 1908 got marr over there she came back with her son/sons in the early 1920s to Bristol as Gertrude said to see Edwin my brother.
I hope you guys can help
kind regards john harper

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Lion, Much Marcle, Ledbury, Herefordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Felix Baker Head Married Male 54 1827 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England Ag Labourer
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Mary Jane Baker Wife Married Female 54 1827 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England Wife
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Caroline Baker Daughter Single Female 21 1860 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England Dau
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Albert Baker Son Single Male 19 1862 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England Ag Labourer
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Thomas Baker Son Single Male 13 1868 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England Scholar
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Walter Samuel Baker Son Single Male 10 1871 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England Scholar
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Edward Baker Grand Son Single Male 4 1877 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England -
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Gertrude Baker Grand Daughter Single Female 0 1881 Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England

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BAKER, EDWIN THOMAS - Order
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in ROSS Volume 06A Page 484

thankyou safc I know that I think if you look love in the 91/01/ census felix calls them his son/daug what am trying to do is find edwins mother
john

BAKER, GERTRUDE - Order
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in LEDBURY Volume 06A Page 439

hi john
you might have to buy the birth certs

Assuming Edwin and Gertrude had the same mother, you can rule out Rhoda, as she marrried in 1877, so wouldn't be Gertrude's mother.


Rhoda Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Rhoda Baker
Registration Year: 1877
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 599
Records on Page:
Name
Rhoda Baker
Thomas Smith


Similarly, Gertrude was born after Eliza's marriage:

Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
Baker Eliza Ledbury 6a 763
Moreton James Ledbury 6a 763


Caroline and Emma /Emily only married after Gertrude's birth, so either of them could be the children's mother:

Caroline Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Caroline Baker
Registration Year: 1884
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Ledbury
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 810
Records on Page:
Name
Caroline Baker
Henry Summers


Emily Baker
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Emily Baker
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Hereford
Inferred County: Herefordshire
Volume: 6a
Page: 819
Records on Page:
Name
Emily Baker
Samuel George Mole
John Read

Felix and family in 1871, showing the above daughters:


Felix Baker
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Felix Baker
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Baker
Gender: Male
Where born: Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Much Marcle
Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ledbury
Sub-registration district: Yarkhill
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 38
Piece: 2684
Folio: 32
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Felix Baker 44
Jane Baker 44
Rhoda Baker 18
William Baker 16
Eliza Baker 14
Caroline Baker 11
Albert Baker 8
Emma Baker 6
Thomas Baker 3
Walter S Baker 2 Months

The eldest daughter Louisa in 1851, and she's still unmarried in 1861:

Louisa Baker
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Louisa Baker
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Felix Baker
Mother's name: Jane Baker
Gender: Female
Where born: Much Marcle, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Much Marcle
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County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Ledbury
Sub-registration district: Ledbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 12a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Piece: 1975
Folio: 422
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Felix Baker 24
Jane Baker 24
Louisa Baker 1
Thos Baker 3 Mo

I expect this is Louisa's marriage, so she can't be their mother, either:

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
BAKER Louisa Ledbury 6a 837
Cox Edward Ledbury 6a 837


Louisa Cox
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Louisa Cox
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward Cox
Gender: Female
Where born: Ledbury, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: Ledbury
Town: Ledbury
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Ledbury
Sub-registration district: Ledbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 2682
Folio: 14
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Cox 26
Louisa Cox 24
Thomas Cox 4
Annie Cox 1

Looks likely that Caroline was the the parent of at least Gertrude:

National School Admission Registers

First name(s) Gertrude Baker
Birth date 12 Nov 1882
Event year 1887
School name Much Marcle School
Town Much Marcle
County Herefordshire
Parent name(s) Caroline Summers
Book type Admissions
Archive reference 44BA1_5
Archive Herefordshire Archives

Found this on 'Williams Family Tree' on Ancestry - (referring to Gertrude)

she was b out of wedlock 1880 to caroline baker b 1860 her father was henry john summers b 1862 caroline and henry john did marr 1884,they had a boy henry albert and he is my g/father.
Felix and henry john were not fit to walk gods earth,WHY felix kept gertrude and henry john left her, the baker treated gertrude like a slave gertude left one nigth and went to USA
on the ss saxonia 1908 the bakers hired men to find but could not, how do i know this gertrude is my g/aunt she d 1977 and her my mother used to write to each other them bakers were really bad to her henry john is buried hear in leeds he died 1923 a hated man
within 12 mile s around he had 2 sons and i daughter all with familys and in leicester there were tree brother 2 sisters all marr BUT he is buied in a paupers grave paid for by the council
Felix d of cancer 1915 in the workhouse


Posted on the same tree -

caroline baker gave birth to Gertrude dec 1880 out of wedlock[ father henry john summers] they did marr 1884,
in 1885 my g/dad was born they were the only children they had

Gertrude went to USA 1908 to this day if that bas-ard was still alive[felix] he never knew she was a sevant girl to a family in mass/boston usa she marr one of the sons Winston Phillips b about 1867 she had 3 sons/1 daug he d about 1947 Gertrude d 1977 just 3 years off 100 she was my mums aunt and they wrote to each other and gertude told us how the bakers treated her like a slave

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/general_chat/thread/1339933?d=asc

(anything to refresh from above)

Chris :)

well for a start
Argy gran 1 am sorry love louisa baker marr Thomas smith a farmer [a rich one] but they marr stroud glos 1867
[don't go down that road I did 10-15 years ago some one put me right] Thomas/louisa hired louisas sister as paid sevant childminder they 4 kids george
1868,louisa 1869, florance 1870 William 1871/2 maybe louisa d in childbirth??
louisa d1872 Thomas remarr Rhoda in b1854 marr1873 and emma is there new servant also[ louisa/Rhoda sister].
theirs nowt like keeping in the family??????, Thomas/Rhoda hsd 6 more kids.
all I was told that louisa was Edwin mum I said Rhoda.
I don't know, I did not want to get birth certs but I will after all
thankyou all for your time
john

TO all you nice people that have helped me now and in the past a very big thankyou

with ref to my last call for help a lady I know that is related to the bakers, emailed me this early today .
a lady called tracy baker gave birth to a boy in stroud she had the baby baptised in much marcle church this was in1877 he was baptised Edwin now this lady is young 35/40ish name is sher, she said she got it from a free site called

forest- of- dean.net you can get on it I have just tried it [815pm] not tried anything yet thought I would let you know first

Record_ID: 359869
Entry_Number:
Year: 1877
Month: May
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: BAKER
Child_Forenames: Edwin
Fathers_Forenames: Not Stated
Mothers_Forenames: Lucy
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Much Marcle
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: W. Becker
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG 56/7
Page_Number: 70
Parish_Chapel: Much Marcle
Soundex: B260

http://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php

Christine
Thank you very much love, it says baptised much marcle [sher said he was b stroud] which might be as it only 20 miles away as the crow flys, so Edwin was born a ba----d .
It does not say who is dad was but I would like to know how old lucy was and being a baker,were the heck does she come into my bakers, now the bakers [my family] are all over the world mostly USA and aus over the 10/15 or so years I have been chiping at the bakers and emailed aus/usa time and again phoned some in Herefordshire, usa, and spent a bit of money NEVER as anyone said any thing about a lucy baker till last week I am stumped.
now when my g/aunt Gertrude docked at Bristol from USA in the mid 1920s with 2 of her 3 kids.

she said and I QUOTE I have come here to see my brother I don't know where to start.
now Edwin had 3 girls, I] Florence Penelope b 1908,marr Arthur bolwell 2 kids authur j 1940, phillip 1942, Arthur marr Diana m roe 1968 at Bristol.
2] elsie jane b 1903 marr George Stanley coombs m 1931 they had 2 kids ann 1932-1932, roger edwin1937-1994.
3] joyce mary marr Raymond f j cook m 1938 that is all I have on them

what still gets me is why did felix take him in and called him g/son and not no his mother??????????????????????????????????]
john

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Old Vicarage Preston Dymock, Preston, Gloucestershire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edwin Baker Head Married Male 34 1877 Much Marcle Herefordshire Groom Gardener Domestic Transcription
Mary Ann Baker Wife Married Female 36 1875 Putley Herefordshire - Transcription
Elsie Jane Baker Daughter - Female 7 1904 Putley Herefordshire - Transcription
Florence Penelope Baker Daughter - Female 3 1908 Preston Glostershire -

Births Dec 1880 (>99%)
BAKER Gertrude Ledbury 6a 439

I can't find any birth which fits with Edwin's details

Erikah thankyou for trying
I was told tracy gave birth in stroud glous, Edwin was baptised at ledbury 1877,
Icannot trace anyone called tracy baker between 1840-1877, who was she her mother/father the conection to the bakers of much/marcle, how did he get into the felix household.
I have been on family search.org nothing
Ido not know what to do
thank you all
john