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16 May 2022 22:44 |
Thank you Argyll Gran. You found more than I did
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16 May 2022 09:35 |
Can't see any definite sign of Edward after 1837. Can't see his brother John apart from baptism. Nor any definite record of the parents after 1826.
Possibly James in 1841:
James Bridgman in the 1841 England Census Name: James Bridgman Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Where Born: Somerset, England Civil Parish: Berkeley Hundred: Frome County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Ag Lab View image Registration District: Frome Sub-registration District: Road Neighbors: Piece: 942 Book: 2 Folio: 17 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age James Bridgman 25 Elizabeth Bridgman 25 James Bridgman 3 John Bridgman 1
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16 May 2022 07:16 |
That makes sense and as it mentions Berkley, that's where Thomas met and married Charlotte a few years before. Thanks for finding the family. Amazing. So Edward and Thomas were convicted of larceny and that was why Thomas was transported in 1841 because he had a previous conviction. I wonder if Edward suffered the same fate? Great help Argyll Gran. Thank you
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15 May 2022 23:51 |
Possibly James, if he wasn't baptised until aged approx 10 - and perhaps his son?:
James Bridgman in the 1851 England Census Name: James Bridgman Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where Born: Dittons Marsh, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Frome Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Frome Sub-registration District: Nunney ED, institution, or vessel: 2h Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 37 Piece: 1932 Folio: 385 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Davis 31 Hanah Davis 69 James Bridgman 13 - apprentice boot & shoe maker, Berkley, Somerset. James Bridgman 35 - widower, agricultural labourer
A tree on Ancestry claims that James married Elizabeth Toop, who died in 1847. That could make the three young Bridgman boys in Frome workhouse in 1851 his sons.
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15 May 2022 23:39 |
Ancestry suggests this is Edward's baptism:
Edward Bridgeman in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 Name: Edward Bridgeman Gender: Male Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1826 Baptism Place: Dilton, Wiltshire, England Father: John Bridgeman Mother: Elizabeth Bridgeman
Thomas was baptised on the same day:
Thos Bridgeman in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 Name: Thos Bridgeman Gender: Male Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1826 Baptism Place: Dilton, Wiltshire, England Parish as it Appears: Dilton Father: John Bridgeman Mother: Elizabeth Bridgeman
Also two more children:
James Bridgeman in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 Name: James Bridgeman Gender: Male Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1826 Baptism Place: Dilton, Wiltshire, England Parish as it Appears: Dilton Father: John Bridgeman Mother: Elizabeth Bridgeman
John Bridgeman in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 Name: John Bridgeman Gender: Male Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1826 Baptism Place: Dilton, Wiltshire, England Parish as it Appears: Dilton Father: John Bridgeman Mother: Elizabeth Bridgeman
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15 May 2022 22:18 |
Hi I'm trying to find out more about Thomas Bridgeman's family to fill in the early years of marriage to Charlotte. It seems that before Thomas was transported in 1841 for stealing sheep he had been in prison for 8 months for larceny in 1837. On the records it mentions Edward Bridgeman aged 17 whom I assume is Thomas brother, who was also imprisoned. So I can't find any record of Thomas birth although he was born in 1817 and in Dilton Marsh according to the prison records. I can't find out who his parents were or anything about Edward Bridgeman. I know about his later life as you can see from this thread but not up to and the first year of his marriage to Charlotte which was in 1836 in Berkley Can anyone else find anything please?
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Glyn
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5 May 2022 12:02 |
Thank you. It gets complicated when there are somany people in the same area with the same name!!!
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3 May 2022 23:04 |
Re the two William Beachim birth records in 1847 - as these were illegitimate births, Beachim (or variation) would be the mother's name, not the father's, and so unless the mother lied about her name, neither of them can be William Beauchamp's child.
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3 May 2022 22:31 |
Thanks Argyll Gran. You found out more than I did. A few more pieces of the puzzle added.
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3 May 2022 09:02 |
Slight possibilities for the birth of the William Beecham in the workhouse in 1851:
BEACHIM, WILLIAM - GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in FROME Volume 10 Page 390
BEACHIM, WILLIAM - GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in FROME Volume 10 Page 333
Again, no way of knowing who his father was, nor what definitely became of him later. There are a few possibilities in later censuses, but nothing definite. Surname spellings are so varied, YOBs on censuses aren't always accurate, and birthplace sometimes just "Somerset".
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3 May 2022 08:40 |
Alfred was born late 1851 or early 1852:
BRIDGMAN, ALFRED - GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in FROME Volume 05C Page 593
But baptised in 1853:
Alfred Bridgman in the Somerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1914 Name: Alfred Bridgman Baptism Date: 30 Dec 1853 Baptism Place: Frome St John, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Frome Selwood Mother: Charlotte Bridgman
I can't see him later, either. Presumably he died, though I don't see any record of it.
There's no way of knowing who his father was.
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Glyn
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2 May 2022 22:29 |
Ah so must means Mothers Maiden Surname. Thanks Erika
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2 May 2022 22:26 |
The post immediately before your last one has the apparent answer
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Glyn
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2 May 2022 22:14 |
I've come back to Charlotte and the Beauchamp/ Bridgeman connection after a few years.
So I have a few questions that I'm sure someone can find the answers. Firstly how do Argyll Gran and others know the 3 Bridgeman boys in the workhouse are not related to Charlotte? I couldn't find any other adult Bridgemans listed as being in the workhouse when they were in there. It appears William Beauchamp ( called Beacham) is there at the same time as Charlotte which may have been how they met and eventually married. There is a 4year old William Beecham also interested 1851 workhouse records. Would this be William Beechams son???? I know they eventually had my great gran Rhoda, born 1855. However, in 1853 Charlotte has a baby called Alfred on 3rd December. I can't find out anything else about this baby and what happens to him. Or whether William Beauchamp I'd his father or not. Please can anyone help with any or all of these questions?
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28 Aug 2018 22:12 |
Those three Bridgman brothers in the workhouse had mms Toop.
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Glyn
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28 Aug 2018 20:31 |
Yes I saw the other Bridgemans and wondered if they were related. I haven’t been able to find any relatives for Thomas Bridgeman so he may have had brothers who had children That might explain why we can’t find Uriah, and why Charlotte was distraught when Mercy died as she was the last link to Thomas. Thanks Argyll Gran
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28 Aug 2018 16:04 |
Just having another look for Uriah - but in vain.
Charlotte and Mercy were both in the workhouse in 1851. I don't think Mercy has been transcribed on Ancestry - at least I don't see her - but a search of the 1851 image shows her listed.:
Charlotte Bridgman in the 1851 England Census Name: Charlotte Bridgman Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relation: Pauper Gender: Female Where born: Beckington, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Frome Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street address: Registration district: Frome Sub-registration district: Nunney ED, institution, or vessel: Frome Union Workhouse Neighbors: Household schedule number: 1 Piece: 1932 Folio: 614 Page Number: 5
But there's no sign of Uriah with them, so presumably he died 1841-51.
There are three young Bridgman brothers in the workhouse, but they're a different family.
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27 Aug 2018 21:38 |
Thanks Argyll Gran. That’s really good you found William and Matilda. No Austin I didn’t, so thanks for that information. I’ll try again. Brilliant both of you. Glyn
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27 Aug 2018 17:48 |
AQ mentioned that William & Matilda were in Wales in 1881.
for our reference:
William Beacham in the 1881 Wales Census Name: William Beacham Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Frome, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Newport County/Island: Monmouthshire Country: Wales Street address: 1 Merchant St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Newport Sub registration district: Newport ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: Piece: 5262 Folio: 65 Page Number: 22 Household Members: William Beacham 62 Matilda Beacham 49
(And several other lodgers, plus householder, etc)
I'm looking for William & Matilda after 1881 (no luck yet) but just posting things as they appear.
Looks like Matilda in 1871, but no William:
Matilda Beauchamp in the 1871 England Census Name: Matilda Beauchamp Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Frome, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Frome Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Frome County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Frome Sub-registration district: Frome ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 96 Piece: 2431 Folio: 13 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age John Bishop 70 Matilda Bishop 69 Matilda Beauchamp 40 - married, pedlar
Found not guilty of larceny:
Matilda Hurd in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 Name: Matilda Hurd Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Date of Trial: 26 Oct 1846 Trial Year: 1846 Location of Trial: Somerset, England Sentence: Acquittal
Aha! Matilda's called Ellen in 1891:
William Beecham in the 1891 Wales Census Name: William Beecham Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Frome, Somerset, England Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg Town: Home Penrhys County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View image Condition as to marriage: View image Education: View image Employment status: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Pontypridd Sub registration district: Ystradyfodwg ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: Piece: 4425 Folio: 101 Page Number: 18 Household Members: William Beecham 66 - labourer Ellen Beecham 60 - Frome, hawker
(and many other lodgers)
Matilda's death ??
Deaths Dec 1893 (>99%) Beecham Matilda 62 Pontypridd 11a 298
A slight possibility for William's death ???
Deaths Dec 1895 (>99%) Basham William 70 Newport, M. 11a 105
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AustinQ
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27 Aug 2018 16:30 |
Hi Glyn- did you order the death certificate using the volume and page numbers?
Death: Name: Charlotte Beacham Registration Year: 1863 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Frome Inferred County: Somerset Volume: 5c <<<<<<<< Page: 382<<<<<<<<<<<
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