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Hi
I'm looking for info re Ronald TOWNEND born in the final quarter of 1922 in Old Colwyn, N Wales (Registration: Conway). Ronald was the son of William (Billy) Townend and Olive Townend (nee Lancaster) and, together with my grandfather, George Townend, William (Billy) ran a haulage/coach driving business.

I can find Ronald's birth in 1922 but cannot trace a marriage or a death.

There is a death in N Devon in 1998 but this is more likely the other Ronald Townend born the same quarter of 1922 in N Devon.

He is still a closed record on the 1939 register


Townend Household (8 People)
Uplands Rhos Road , Colwyn Bay M.B., Denbighshire, Wales
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Olive H J Townend 08 Aug 1899 Housewife & Part Time Ladies Hair Dresser
William Townend 03 May 1898 Chauffeur (Private)
Peter Townend 14 Jan 1928 At School
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Do you have his actual birth date

Wow, Thank you - didn't know about Peter. Have never heard spoken of him. Off to follow that lead

Thanks once again

His birth
Births Mar 1928
Townend Peter Lancaster Conway 11b 667

I don't have an actual DOB for Ronald as I have only just, this weekend, turned attentions to this branch of the family. William ("Billy") Townend was my grandfather's step-brother and I would love to know if there are any relations in the area.

As I can't find a marriage or a death, I wonder if he stayed in the UK or perhaps emigrated or something? No reason to suspect this other than the lack of records but I do not have a worldwide Ancestry subscription and perhaps I should look at upgrading

I have Ancestry world wide but not picking up any travel info

Thank you for looking

Olive's DOB on the 1939 Register actually reads.......26th Aug 1899

Olive Helen J Townend in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Olive Helen J Townend
Death Age: 94
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1899
Registration Date: Feb 1994
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Register Number: B54C
District and Subdistrict: 4691B
Entry Number: 134


William Townend in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William Townend
Death Age: 71
Birth Date: 3 May 1898
Registration Date: Sep 1969
Registration district: Chichester
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 1504

theres five closed records on the 1939 but only picking up four births

look on freebmd for them

Of course, it's possible that Ronald never married and is still alive.

Or if he emigrated, he may have flown, in which case there will be no record online.

He may also have died in WW2?

I don't see the birth of a Ronald Townend , in Devon.

It's not coming up on Ancestry or FreeBMD

Where did you find that, please?

The only Ronald Townend births in last qr of 1922 seem to be your Ronald, and one in Clitheroe.
The Clitheroe one had middle name Victor, and he died in 2005.

So as far as I can see, the Devon death is likely to be your Ronald.

Name: Ronald Townend
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1922
Registration Date: Nov 1998
Registration district: North Devon
Inferred County: Devon
Register Number: A27C
District and Subdistrict: 4041A
Entry Number: 280

The 1998 death gives birth date, so to sure this is, or is not, your Ronald you really need to buy the birth certificte to see what his date of birth was.

Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Townend Peter Lancaster Conway 11b 667

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First name(s) PETER
Last name TOWNEND
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1929
Age 21
Death quarter 1
Death year 1950
District Willesden
County Middlesex
Volume 5F
Page 186
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Hi
So Sorry I haven't responded earlier - unexpected visitors!!

My search on Ancestry brought up the following result for births for the final quarter of 1922 and I mistakenly looked at them as 3 separate entries with"my" Ronald seeming to be the third one.

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH, INCLUDING PARISH
NAME: Ronald Townend
BIRTH: 12 Sep 1922
DEATH: Nov 1998 - North Devon, Devon, England

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH, INCLUDING PARISH
NAME: Ronald Victor Townend
BIRTH: 21 Nov 1922
DEATH: Nov 2005 - Kensington and Chelsea, London, England

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
BIRTH, MARRIAGE & DEATH, INCLUDING PARISHView Image
NAME: Ronald Townend
BIRTH: Dec 1922 - Conway, Merionethshire

But, as you so rightly say, and I should have looked more closely, the first and third may very well be the same person and I may well have to send for certificates to be sure. Thank you for helping me to see what may well have been right in front of me

As for Peter I did not know of his existence until today, he died a few years before I was born and I don't recall ever hearing anyone mention him.

Thanks once again

Barbara

Just been looking into the fifth hidden record in the 1939 register for the Uplands, Rhos Rd, Colwyn Bay address.

Looks like they went on to have a further son, Alan, but haven't found any more about him yet.

From FreeBMD

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

Births Dec 1922 (>99%)
Townend Ronald Lancaster Conway 11b 682

Births Mar 1928 (>99%)
Townend Peter Lancaster Conway 11b 667

Births Dec 1934 (>99%)
Townend Alan Lancaster Conway 11b 578

There is also a Nora TOWNEND born 1939, mother's maiden name also is Lancaster.
This one is registered as North Manchester which is where I and this particular branch of the family hail from so perhaps they later returned to this neck of the woods before going to live down south.

Not had chance to look further into this today but am so grateful for everyone's help

Many thanks

B