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Hi ArgylGran,

Thanks for looking.

G

I don't think that's the right couple.

Here they are arriving in the UK, earlier that year:

Walter Miles
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Walter Miles
Birth Date: abt 1869
Age: 69
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 17 Jul 1938
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Ausonia
Shipping line: Cunard White Star
Official Number: 145970

Country of last permanent residence: Canada

Putting this here as the age is about right, husband is given as Walter ( a merchant) ...but just a chance he was Henry Walter or vice versa, and used middle name?

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Province Quebec
First name(s) Nora
Last name Miles
Gender Female
Age 65
Birth year 1873
Marital status M
Occupation HWIFE
Departure year 1938
Departure day 25
Departure month 8
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Montreal
Destination MONTREAL
Country Canada
Destination country Canada
Ship name Montrose
Ship official number 145919
Ship master's first name H J
Ship master's last name FERGUSON
Shipping line CANADIAN PACIFIC
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port MONTREAL
Ship destination country CANADA
Ship square feet 14616
Ship registered tonnage 9823
Number of passengers 390
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger lists
Collections from Great Britain, England, Canada, Americas
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Thanks Nyx

I know nothing in 1939 reg.

Maybe they emigrated but cannot find anything there either!

A mystery

G

India details are from Findmypast.

No Miles for that birth date showing on the 1939 reg under any combination of first names, Nora/Norah or Fanny

Hi All,

Nyx,

Where did you get the death and will info of her father Thomas Rammell in India from? Ancestry?

I hadn't searched for a Fanny Miles as she was always Nora in the census. I have been looking but cannot see anything. I would assume that her death would be registered as Nora Fanny.

I forgot to add that Nora's birthday is 8th May 1874 Woolwich.
Her mother was Honora Warner (second marriage). Her father, Thomas Rammell, died in India before she was born. Nora was baptised in Crediton, Devon where her grandmother Fanny Rammell and aunts/uncles lived.

She had an illegitimate daughter also called Nora Fanny Rammell b 11th Nov 1896. Hence 2 births in the GRO index.

G

More of Gigi's threads -

this one about Nora Fanny, with links to others:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333440

also:
https://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333439

If Norah went by the name Fanny, there are several deaths for a Fanny Miles assuming the informant was a year or so out, one Fanny Miles as a patient to match, Chichester Sussex in 1939.

Mary Jane Rammell
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Mary Jane Rammell
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 May 1869
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1869
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Bangalore, Madras, India
Father: Thomas Rammell
Mother: Honora
Reference ID: v 50 p 64
FHL Film Number: 521857


Edward Rammell
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Edward Rammell
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Apr 1867
Baptism Place: Trichinopoly, Madras, India
Father: Thomas Rammell
Mother: Honora
FHL Film Number: 521855


Still doesn't help find Nora Fanny after 1928, though!

Maybe she lived in Ireland after that.

Thankyou Argyll Gran,

I give up!

Death of Thomas

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription
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First name(s) Thomas
Last name Rammell
Birth year 1842
Death date 19 Sep 1876
Death year 1876
Age 34
Burial date 21 Sep 1876
Place Calicut
Presidency Madras
Archive Reference N-2-57
Folio -
Page 225
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras, : 1698-1948
Record set British India Office Deaths & Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
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British India Office Inventories and Accounts of Deceased Estates Transcription
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First name(s) Thomas
Last name Rammell
Event year 1879
Presidency Madras
Age -
Record type Inventory
Archive reference L-AG-34-27-354
Page/folio number 125
Catalogue description Inventories & Accounts of Deceased Estates - Madras 1822-1936
Record set British India Office Wills & Probate
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Wills & probate
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The above names Mrs H Rammell and children as Arthur Gibon, Mary Jane, William and Norah Fanny, and gives details of their share of estate.

Gigi's earlier thread about Thomas and Honora:


https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333449

Maybe they returned to Dublin soon after birth and baptised there? though birth date is out British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns- Births & Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) William
Last name Rammell
Birth year 1870
Birth date 14 Oct 1870
Baptism year 1870
Baptism date 31 Oct 1870
Place Trimulgherry
Presidency -
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Rammell
Mother's first name(s) Honora
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-2-C5
Folio 1407
Page -
Catalogue descriptions Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First name(s) WILLIAM
Last name RAMMELL
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1871
Age 26
Death quarter 3
Death year 1897
District Woolwich
County London
Volume 1D
Page 785
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

and another daughter

Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, HADDINGTON ROAD

Baptism of MARIA JOANNA RAMMELL of CHARLOTTE QUAY RINGSEND on 20 February 1880



Name MARIA JOANNA RAMMELL
Date of Birth 28 April 1869
Address CHARLOTTE QUAY RINGSEND
Father THOMAS RAMMELL
Mother HONORIA MC KENNA

Parents in Ireland baptism of another child ( the William who is stepson on 1881)

Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, HADDINGTON ROAD

Baptism of GULIELMUS RAMMELL of CHARLOTTE QUAY RINGSEND on 20 February 1880


Name GULIELMUS RAMMELL
Date of Birth 14 December 1870
Address CHARLOTTE QUAY RINGSEND
Father THOMAS RAMMELL
Mother HONORIA MC KENNA
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 NICHOLAS BROWNE
Sponsor 2 ANNA CLEARY
Priest JOSEPH GRANT MOONEY

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Brookhill Road, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

Francis Waine Head Married Male 35 1846 Gardner (Dom) Woolwich, Kent, England
Honora Waine Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Cork, Cork, Ireland
William Raunnell (Waine) Stepson Single Male 10 1871 -
Norah F Raunnell (Waine) Step Daughter Single Female 6 1875 - Woolwich, Kent, England <<<<<

RAMMELL, NORAH FANNY mmn MCKENNA Order
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 999

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
173, Herbert Road, Plumstead, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

Charles Allson Head Married Male 58 1843 Boot & Shoe Dealer Stockwell, Surrey, England
Annie Allson Wife Married Female 48 1853 - Honiton, Devon, England
Charles J Thompkins Grand Son - Male 6 1895 - Plumstead, Kent, England
Fanny Rammell Servant Single Female 26 1875 General Servant Domestic Woolwich, Kent, England <<<<<

MIstranscribed here ( the mother)

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
65 Granville Park Lewisham, Lewisham, London & Kent, England

Philip Cranefield Head Married Male Railway Superintendent 57 1854 Middlesex Holloway
Emily Harriet Cranefield Wife Married Female - 54 1857 Middlesex City of London
Violet Annie Cranefield Daughter Single Female - 26 1885 Middlesex Acton
Philip Archibald Cranefield Son Single Male Bank Clerk 22 1889 Middlesex Hammersmith
Reginald Thomas Cranefield Son Single Male Scholar 15 1896 Surrey Clapham
Dorothy Emily Cranefield Daughter Single Female Scholar 14 1897 Surrey Clapham
Norah Fanny Ramwell Servant Single Female General Servant Domestic 36 1875 Kent Woolwich <<<<

Not seeing an Arthur T G Rammell either :-(