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13 Nov 2017 08:40 |
I have been looking for 10 years to find the parents of my grandad who is Alexander William Robert Bryson 1899 . They are Robert Bryson and Eliza Gissing . I have found that Alexander was in lodgings near London when he was 11 and no mention of his parents . I can’t move on my family tree without this info . Anyone any ideas ?? Thanks JudyIreland . :-(
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Nov 2017 08:41 |
Have you found his birth
Presume you have to know the mmn
BRYSON, ALEXANDER WILLIAM ROBERT GISSING GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON Volume 01D Page 103
He was baptised VIEW London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Alexander William Robert Bryson Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 May 1899 Baptism Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England Father: Robert Bryson occ paint manufacturer Mother: Eliza Bryson Register Type: Parish Registers Born 12.3.1899 Address 200 (or260 )Great Dover Street
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Nov 2017 08:50 |
Just posting what comes up Alexander R W Bryson Death Age: 60 Birth Date: abt 1899 Registration Date: Sep 1959 Registration district: Sodbury Inferred County: Gloucestershire Volume: 7b Page: 410
Name: Alexander W R Bryson Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1947 Registration district: Bristol Inferred County: Gloucestershire Spouse: Kathleen G Bryson Or Bartlett Volume Number: 7b Page Number: 289 Who does he name as father on the cert
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Nov 2017 09:08 |
Wonder about this one
VIEW 1911 England Census Name: Alick William Bryson Age in 1911: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1899 Relation to Head: Boarder Birth Place: St George, London, England Civil Parish: Hampton Search Photos: Search for 'Hampton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 3 Rose Hill Villas, Rose Hill Cottages Oldfield Road Hampton, Mddx Occupation: School Registration district: Kingston Registration District Number: 40 Sub-registration district: Hampton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 57 Piece: 3562 Household Members: Name Age Charles Glazier 35 Emily Glazier 28 Martha Brown 60 Alick William Bryson 12 William Brom 32
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13 Nov 2017 09:20 |
Name: Alexander William Robert Bryson Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 28 May 1899 Baptism Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England Father: Robert Bryson - Paint Manufacturer Mother: Eliza Bryson Register Type: Parish Registers address: 200 Dover St. Born 12th March, 1899
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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13 Nov 2017 09:30 |
Possibly as the same area of birth as Alexander
Births Mar 1871 Gissing Eliza Ann St. Saviour 1d 158
GRO record GISSING, ELIZA ANN HOSKING GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR'S SURREY Volume 01D Page 158 Order
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13 Nov 2017 09:37 |
1881 census
VIEW 1881 England Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: Eliza Gissing Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1871 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Joseph Gissing Mother: Ann Gissing Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Newington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 3 Osborne St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 29c Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 548 Folio: 88 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Gissing 36 Ann Gissing 36 Joseph Gissing 14 Alfred Gissing 12 Eliza Gissing 10 Caroline Gissing 8 Thomas Gissing 5 Amelia Gissing 3 William Gissing 1
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13 Nov 2017 10:09 |
Eliza Ann Gessing in the 1871 England Census Name: Eliza Ann Gessing Age: 6 Months Estimated birth year: abt 1870 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Joseph John Gessing Mother's name: Ann Gessing Gender: Female Where born: Newington, Surrey, England Civil Parish: St Mary Newington Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Piece: 619 Folio: 116 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Joseph John Gessing 36 Railway Porter St George Surrey Ann Gessing 26 Newington Surrey Joseph M Gessing 4 Newington Surrey Alfd Wm Gessing 2 Newington Surrey Eliza Ann Gessing 6 Months
Death of wife Ann...
Deaths Mar 1889 (>99%) Gissing Ann 44 St. Saviour 1d 73
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%) Gissing Joseph John Newington 1d 393 Hoskins Ann Newington 1d 393
A second marriage for Joseph.....
Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%) Cook Sarah Townsend St. Saviour 1d 269 GISSING Joseph John St.Saviour 1d 269
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 6, Pepler Road, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England
Joseph J Gissing Head Married Male 57 1844 Porter Ry Southwark, Surrey, England Transcription Sarah Gissing Wife Married Female 70 1831 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England Transcription Florence Gissing Wife's Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Servant General Newington
Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%) Gissing Joseph 59 Camberwell 1d 475
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13 Nov 2017 11:38 |
I am not seeing a Bryson/Gissing marriage.
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Judith
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13 Nov 2017 21:21 |
Thankyou I can’t find marriage cert for Eliza and Robert either and that’s what is holding me up really . I wondered if they had emigrated and left their son Alexander behind as he is seen as a lodger in the 1911 census . His parents weren’t in evidence in 1914 when he lied about his age and signed up . I believe that Eliza married again as Robert died young . Thanks for looking
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Judith
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13 Nov 2017 21:27 |
He names Robert as his father on his birth certificate. On his marriage cert he names his father as Richard which suggests to me that he hadn’t really had his father around .
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13 Nov 2017 21:40 |
There is this Eliza Ann Gissing marriage
England & Wales marriages 1837-2005
First name(s) ELIZA ANN Last name GISSING Marriage quarter 4 Marriage year 1906 Registration month - MarriageFinder™ ELIZA ANN GISSING married one of these people Ernest Frederick Kirk, Benjamin John Whitby District Camberwell District number - County London Country England Volume 1D Page 1696 Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce Collections from Great Britain, England
both in workhouse
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census
First name(s) Eliza Last name Whitby Relationship Inmate Marital status Married Sex Female Occupation - Age 39 Birth year 1872 Birth place London Camberwell Marriage year 1906 Years married 5 Address Gordon Road Peckham Parish Camberwell County London, Surrey Country England Archive reference RG14 Registration district Camberwell Registration district number 27 Enumeration district 24 District number 24 Sub district Peckham South Sub district number 6 Census reference RG14PN2594 RG78PN87 RD27 SD6 ED24 SN1 RG78 code number 87 Piece number 2594 Folio - Page - Other household member first name(s) - Other household member last name - Record set 1911 Census For England & Wales Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain, England
First name(s) Benjamin Last name Whitby Relationship Inmate Marital status Married Sex Male Occupation Formerly Horsekeeper Age 55 Birth year 1856 Birth place London Southwark Address Gordon Road Peckham Parish Camberwell County London, Surrey Country England Archive reference RG14 Registration district Camberwell Registration district number 27 Enumeration district 24 District number 24 Sub district Peckham South Sub district number 6 Census reference RG14PN2594 RG78PN87 RD27 SD6 ED24 SN1 RG78 code number 87 Piece number 2594 Folio - Page - Other household member first name(s) - Other household member last name - Record set 1911 Census For England & Wales Category Census, land & surveys Subcategory Census Collections from Great Britain, England
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13 Nov 2017 22:14 |
Just posting the details for Benjamin
Name: Benjamin Whitby Age in 1911: 55 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation to Head: Inmate Gender: Male Birth Place: Southwark, London, England Civil Parish: Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Camberwell Workhouse and Causual Wards, Gordon Road, Peckham Marital Status: Married Occupation: FORMERLY HOUSE KEEPER.******* Horse Keeper on the image. Registration district: Camberwell
Benjamin Whitby 55
Ahh, you have added it now Nyx.
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13 Nov 2017 22:19 |
This might be Benjamin on the 1901 census....
John B J Whitby in the 1901 England Census
Name: John B J Whitby Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Bow, London, England Civil Parish: Camberwell Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Camberwell
Household Members: Name Age William Beaumont 52 Lottie Beaumont 47 John B J Whitby 44 Horse Keeper
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13 Nov 2017 22:25 |
Benjamin Whitby in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Benjamin Whitby Year: 1918....1921 County or Borough: Southwark Ward or Division/Constituency: Camberwell Street address: 64 Sultan Street
With Eliza Ann Whitby
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If you want to trace back Benjamin, i think you will find that this is him.......
Benjamin John Whitby in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 Name: Benjamin John Whitby Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 12 Aug 1855 Birth Date: Aug 12th Baptism Place: Newington St Mary, Southwark, England Father: Thomas Whitby (Sweep) Res: Red Cross Court Mother: Elizabeth Whitby
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 4, Red Cross Square, St Saviour, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England
Thomas Whitley Head Married Male 51 1810 Chimney Sweep ... France ??? Transcription Elizabeth Whitley Wife Married Female 45 1816 Washer Woman Newington, Surrey, England Transcription Elizabeth Whitley Daughter Unmarried Female 32 1829 - Newington, Surrey, England Transcription Ann Whitley Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Transcription Eliza Whitley Daughter - Female 9 1852 - Newington, Surrey, England Transcription Benjamin Whitley Son - Male 4 1857 - Southwark, Surrey, England Transcription Martha Whitley Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Southwark, Surrey, England Transcription John Miller Servant Unmarried Male 40 1821 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription William Weeks Servant Unmarried Male 53 1808 - Kent, England
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13 Nov 2017 22:27 |
Some possibly relevant info on an old search of Judiths
https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-44805.html
"14-04-2009, 8:17 PM HI , On Alexander William Robert Bryson 's birth cert. his father is given as Robert Bryson a "Chemists traveller" Alexanders birth was 12 march 1899 at 200 Gt Dover Street. Newington. For his mother it says Eliza Bryson formerly Gissing. By the time Alexander got married in 1918 his father was listed as Secretary to the British consul, Paris (deceased). Both certificates are correct , by the addresses. "
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13 Nov 2017 22:29 |
from that post "The witnesses at Alecs wedding were Jane Clough( sister in law) and Harry nicholas williamson . Alecs daughter ,my aunt, is still alive but cant remember much . She does however keep mentioning uncle Harry in london who could be either Roberts brother or Elizas 2nd husband. "
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13 Nov 2017 22:51 |
Eliza Ann Whitby still at 64 Sultan Road on the 1923-----1932 ER's.
At the same residence on the 1934 and 1938 ER......Appears as Elizabeth Ann Whitby.
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13 Nov 2017 23:19 |
This is interesting......
No idea if it's connected though
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Eliza Whitby (Whitley) on the 1939 Register
Hogan Household (5 People) 24 Arklow House , Camberwell, London, England
Eliza Whitby (Whitley) 14 Feb 1866 Female Home Duties Widowed 263 2 Amelia Hogan 20 Oct 1877 Female Charwomen Home Unpaid Duties Married 263 1 Roslyn (Louise) Gissing 09 Apr 1898 Female Restaurant Cook Single 263 3 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Thomas P Gissing 23 Sep 1917 Male Metal Foundry Labourer Single 263 5
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13 Nov 2017 23:23 |
Ah.....Eliza Ann Gissing has a sister Amelia Gissing
Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%) Gissing Amelia H Hogan Camberwell 1d 2276 Hogan Thomas P Gissing Camberwell 1d 2276#
Births Dec 1877 (>99%) GISSING Amelia Harriett MMN Hosking St Saviour 1d 155
Yippeeee!!
Res: 3 Osborne Street.........(Same address as the 1881 census)
Amelia Harriet Gissing in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Amelia Harriet Gissing Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1880 Baptism Place: Walworth St John the Evangelist, Southwark, England Father: Joseph John Gissing (Railway Porter) Mother: Ann Gissing
Also Baptised on the same day.....
Joseph John Alfred William Eliza Ann Caroline Jane Thomas James
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 3, Osborne Street, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England
Joseph Gissing Head Married Male 36 1845 Railway Porter Southwark, Surrey, England Transcription Ann Gissing Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Joseph Gissing Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Alfred Gissing Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Eliza Gissing Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Caroline Gissing Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Thomas Gissing Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Amelia Gissing Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription William Gissing Son Single Male 1 1880 - Lambeth, Surrey, England Transcription Sarah Hoskins Widow Widow Female 68 1813 Laundress Southwark, Surrey, England
GISSING, WILLIAM CHARLES MMN HOSKINS GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 190
Amelia H Hogan in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Amelia H Hogan Death Age: 79 Birth Date: abt 1878 Registration Date: Mar 1957 Registration district: Wandsworth Inferred County: London Volume: 5d Page: 794
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