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Judith

Judith Report 13 Nov 2017 08:40

I have been looking for 10 years to find the parents of my grandad who is Alexander William Robert Bryson 1899 . They are Robert Bryson and Eliza Gissing .
I have found that Alexander was in lodgings near London when he was 11 and no mention of his parents .
I can’t move on my family tree without this info .
Anyone any ideas ??
Thanks
JudyIreland . :-(

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Nov 2017 08:41

Have you found his birth

Presume you have to know the mmn

BRYSON, ALEXANDER WILLIAM ROBERT GISSING
GRO Reference: 1899 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON Volume 01D Page 103

He was baptised
VIEW London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Alexander William Robert Bryson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 May 1899
Baptism Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England
Father: Robert Bryson occ paint manufacturer
Mother: Eliza Bryson
Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 12.3.1899
Address 200 (or260 )Great Dover Street

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Nov 2017 08:50

Just posting what comes up
Alexander R W Bryson
Death Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1899
Registration Date: Sep 1959
Registration district: Sodbury
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 7b
Page: 410



Name: Alexander W R Bryson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1947
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Spouse: Kathleen G Bryson Or Bartlett
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 289
Who does he name as father on the cert

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Nov 2017 09:08

Wonder about this one

VIEW 1911 England Census

Name: Alick William Bryson
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Boarder
Birth Place: St George, London, England
Civil Parish: Hampton
Search Photos: Search for 'Hampton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 3 Rose Hill Villas, Rose Hill Cottages Oldfield Road Hampton, Mddx
Occupation: School
Registration district: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 57
Piece: 3562
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Glazier 35
Emily Glazier 28
Martha Brown 60
Alick William Bryson 12
William Brom 32

Dea

Dea Report 13 Nov 2017 09:20


Name: Alexander William Robert Bryson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 May 1899
Baptism Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England
Father: Robert Bryson - Paint Manufacturer
Mother: Eliza Bryson
Register Type: Parish Registers
address: 200 Dover St.
Born 12th March, 1899

Dea x

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Nov 2017 09:30

Possibly as the same area of birth as Alexander

Births Mar 1871
Gissing Eliza Ann St. Saviour 1d 158

GRO record
GISSING, ELIZA ANN HOSKING
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in ST SAVIOUR'S SURREY Volume 01D Page 158 Order

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 Nov 2017 09:37

1881 census

VIEW 1881 England Census
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Name: Eliza Gissing
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Joseph Gissing
Mother: Ann Gissing
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 3 Osborne St
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 29c
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 548
Folio: 88
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Gissing 36
Ann Gissing 36
Joseph Gissing 14
Alfred Gissing 12
Eliza Gissing 10
Caroline Gissing 8
Thomas Gissing 5
Amelia Gissing 3
William Gissing 1

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 10:09

Eliza Ann Gessing in the 1871 England Census
Name: Eliza Ann Gessing
Age: 6 Months
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph John Gessing
Mother's name: Ann Gessing
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Piece: 619
Folio: 116
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph John Gessing 36 Railway Porter St George Surrey
Ann Gessing 26 Newington Surrey
Joseph M Gessing 4 Newington Surrey
Alfd Wm Gessing 2 Newington Surrey
Eliza Ann Gessing 6 Months

Death of wife Ann...

Deaths Mar 1889 (>99%)
Gissing Ann 44 St. Saviour 1d 73


Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Gissing Joseph John Newington 1d 393
Hoskins Ann Newington 1d 393

A second marriage for Joseph.....

Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)
Cook Sarah Townsend St. Saviour 1d 269
GISSING Joseph John St.Saviour 1d 269


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6, Pepler Road, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

Joseph J Gissing Head Married Male 57 1844 Porter Ry Southwark, Surrey, England
Transcription
Sarah Gissing Wife Married Female 70 1831 - Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Transcription
Florence Gissing Wife's Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Servant General Newington


Deaths Jun 1903 (>99%)
Gissing Joseph 59 Camberwell 1d 475

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 11:38

I am not seeing a Bryson/Gissing marriage.



Judith

Judith Report 13 Nov 2017 21:21

Thankyou
I can’t find marriage cert for Eliza and Robert either and that’s what is holding me up really . I wondered if they had emigrated and left their son Alexander behind as he is seen as a lodger in the 1911 census . His parents weren’t in evidence in 1914 when he lied about his age and signed up .
I believe that Eliza married again as Robert died young .
Thanks for looking

Judith

Judith Report 13 Nov 2017 21:27

He names Robert as his father on his birth certificate.
On his marriage cert he names his father as Richard which suggests to me that he hadn’t really had his father around .

Rambling

Rambling Report 13 Nov 2017 21:40

There is this Eliza Ann Gissing marriage

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005


First name(s) ELIZA ANN
Last name GISSING
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1906
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ELIZA ANN GISSING married one of these people
Ernest Frederick Kirk, Benjamin John Whitby
District Camberwell
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Page 1696
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

both in workhouse


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

First name(s) Eliza
Last name Whitby
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Sex Female
Occupation -
Age 39
Birth year 1872
Birth place London Camberwell
Marriage year 1906
Years married 5
Address Gordon Road Peckham
Parish Camberwell
County London, Surrey
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Camberwell
Registration district number 27
Enumeration district 24
District number 24
Sub district Peckham South
Sub district number 6
Census reference RG14PN2594 RG78PN87 RD27 SD6 ED24 SN1
RG78 code number 87
Piece number 2594
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census For England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England


First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Whitby
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Occupation Formerly Horsekeeper
Age 55
Birth year 1856
Birth place London Southwark
Address Gordon Road Peckham
Parish Camberwell
County London, Surrey
Country England
Archive reference RG14
Registration district Camberwell
Registration district number 27
Enumeration district 24
District number 24
Sub district Peckham South
Sub district number 6
Census reference RG14PN2594 RG78PN87 RD27 SD6 ED24 SN1
RG78 code number 87
Piece number 2594
Folio -
Page -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Record set 1911 Census For England & Wales
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 22:14

Just posting the details for Benjamin

Name: Benjamin Whitby
Age in 1911: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southwark, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Camberwell Workhouse and Causual Wards, Gordon Road, Peckham
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: FORMERLY HOUSE KEEPER.******* Horse Keeper on the image.
Registration district: Camberwell

Benjamin Whitby 55

Ahh, you have added it now Nyx.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 22:19

This might be Benjamin on the 1901 census....

John B J Whitby in the 1901 England Census

Name: John B J Whitby
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Bow, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell

Household Members:
Name Age
William Beaumont 52
Lottie Beaumont 47
John B J Whitby 44 Horse Keeper

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 22:25

Benjamin Whitby in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965



Name: Benjamin Whitby
Year: 1918....1921
County or Borough: Southwark
Ward or Division/Constituency: Camberwell
Street address: 64 Sultan Street

With Eliza Ann Whitby

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If you want to trace back Benjamin, i think you will find that this is him.......

Benjamin John Whitby in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Benjamin John Whitby
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 12 Aug 1855
Birth Date: Aug 12th
Baptism Place: Newington St Mary, Southwark, England
Father: Thomas Whitby (Sweep) Res: Red Cross Court
Mother: Elizabeth Whitby


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
4, Red Cross Square, St Saviour, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England

Thomas Whitley Head Married Male 51 1810 Chimney Sweep ... France ???
Transcription
Elizabeth Whitley Wife Married Female 45 1816 Washer Woman Newington, Surrey, England
Transcription
Elizabeth Whitley Daughter Unmarried Female 32 1829 - Newington, Surrey, England
Transcription
Ann Whitley Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Transcription
Eliza Whitley Daughter - Female 9 1852 - Newington, Surrey, England
Transcription
Benjamin Whitley Son - Male 4 1857 - Southwark, Surrey, England
Transcription
Martha Whitley Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Southwark, Surrey, England
Transcription
John Miller Servant Unmarried Male 40 1821 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
William Weeks Servant Unmarried Male 53 1808 - Kent, England




Rambling

Rambling Report 13 Nov 2017 22:27

Some possibly relevant info on an old search of Judiths

https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-44805.html

"14-04-2009, 8:17 PM
HI , On Alexander William Robert Bryson 's birth cert. his father is given as Robert Bryson a "Chemists traveller"
Alexanders birth was 12 march 1899 at 200 Gt Dover Street. Newington.
For his mother it says Eliza Bryson formerly Gissing.
By the time Alexander got married in 1918 his father was listed as Secretary to the British consul, Paris (deceased).
Both certificates are correct , by the addresses. "

Rambling

Rambling Report 13 Nov 2017 22:29

from that post "The witnesses at Alecs wedding were Jane Clough( sister in law) and Harry nicholas williamson .
Alecs daughter ,my aunt, is still alive but cant remember much . She does however keep mentioning uncle Harry in london who could be either Roberts brother or Elizas 2nd husband. "

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 22:51

Eliza Ann Whitby still at 64 Sultan Road on the 1923-----1932 ER's.

At the same residence on the 1934 and 1938 ER......Appears as Elizabeth Ann Whitby.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 23:19

This is interesting......

No idea if it's connected though

??

Eliza Whitby (Whitley) on the 1939 Register

Hogan Household (5 People) 24 Arklow House , Camberwell, London, England

Eliza Whitby (Whitley) 14 Feb 1866 Female Home Duties Widowed 263 2
Amelia Hogan 20 Oct 1877 Female Charwomen Home Unpaid Duties Married 263 1
Roslyn (Louise) Gissing 09 Apr 1898 Female Restaurant Cook Single 263 3
Sorry, this record is officially closed.
Thomas P Gissing 23 Sep 1917 Male Metal Foundry Labourer Single 263 5

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 13 Nov 2017 23:23

Ah.....Eliza Ann Gissing has a sister Amelia Gissing

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Gissing Amelia H Hogan Camberwell 1d 2276
Hogan Thomas P Gissing Camberwell 1d 2276#

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)
GISSING Amelia Harriett MMN Hosking St Saviour 1d 155

Yippeeee!!

Res: 3 Osborne Street.........(Same address as the 1881 census)

Amelia Harriet Gissing in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Amelia Harriet Gissing
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Oct 1880
Baptism Place: Walworth St John the Evangelist, Southwark, England
Father: Joseph John Gissing (Railway Porter)
Mother: Ann Gissing

Also Baptised on the same day.....

Joseph John
Alfred William
Eliza Ann
Caroline Jane
Thomas James


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Osborne Street, Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England

Joseph Gissing Head Married Male 36 1845 Railway Porter Southwark, Surrey, England
Transcription
Ann Gissing Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Joseph Gissing Son Single Male 14 1867 Errand Boy Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Alfred Gissing Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Eliza Gissing Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Caroline Gissing Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Thomas Gissing Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Amelia Gissing Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
William Gissing Son Single Male 1 1880 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Transcription
Sarah Hoskins Widow Widow Female 68 1813 Laundress Southwark, Surrey, England

GISSING, WILLIAM CHARLES MMN HOSKINS
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 190



Amelia H Hogan in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Amelia H Hogan
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: abt 1878
Registration Date: Mar 1957
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 794