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Daisy Summers
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John | Report | 18 Nov 2017 15:31 |
No Nyx. just been trying to find William Smith and already coming up to a .brick wall. I have found his marriage to Margaret Phipps, found them by verifying their children on GROBMD with the maiden name of Phipps so lucky there. |
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John | Report | 18 Nov 2017 15:31 |
No Nyx. just been trying to find William Smith and already coming up to a .brick wall. I have found his marriage to Margaret Phipps, found them by verifying their children on GROBMD with the maiden name of Phipps so lucky there. |
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Rambling | Report | 18 Nov 2017 14:58 |
Thanks for the update John, I'm glad the cert has confirmed the Smith name, though I never envy anyone with a Smith search :-) |
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John | Report | 18 Nov 2017 13:34 |
Hi NyX. I have now received the marriage certificate for Dorothy Margaret Osborne and Donald Small, widow and widower, married April 1944 but what has surprised me is that she couldn't have been a widow because her ex husband Clarence Frederick Osborne didn't die until Dec 1945 Worthing. The father was William Smith and the family lived in Southend on Sea, so this is the correct Dorothy but her daughter Margaret Osborne as my friend says it is, is actually was the Margaret Smith I found 1915 Rochford born out of wedlock. Thank you so much for all your help in finding the family , I now can now proceed down the Smith line hopefully. mind you if it's anything like my Lewis line I latched on to a William Lewis for 2 years before I found my correct family. Lewis and Smith are hard families to find. |
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John | Report | 18 Nov 2017 13:33 |
Hi NyX. I have now received the marriage certificate for Dorothy Margaret Osborne and Donald Small, widow and widower, married April 1944 but what has surprised me is that she couldn't have been a widow because her ex husband Clarence Frederick Osborne didn't die until Dec 1945 Worthing. The father was William Smith and the family lived in Southend on Sea, so this is the correct Dorothy but her daughter Margaret Osborne as my friend says it is, is actually was the Margaret Smith I found 1915 Rochford born out of wedlock. Thank you so much for all your help in finding the family , I now can now proceed down the Smith line hopefully. mind you if it's anything like my Lewis line I latched on to a William Lewis for 2 years before I found my correct family. Lewis and Smith are hard families to find. |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Nov 2017 19:19 |
It's easy to lose the plot when so many have the same names! |
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John | Report | 9 Nov 2017 18:59 |
I think this Ivy V Hooton (Clark) is daughter of James Clark but the Ivy Doris Clark also known as Osborne could be the daughter of Clarence Frederick Osborne and Alma Beatrice Clark, This Ivy D married Ronald Wren in Hove 1950 Looking at records Ronald Wren b 1929 Hove and died 2002 Hove , so Ronald wasn't married to Alma Beatrice as the gent on Ancestry had got, I thought surely not getting married at age of 96. Well it looks like Clarence Frederick Osborne went to live sometime in Hove Sussex area because that's where he died in Worthing. Feel I am going in a whirl trying to get to the bottom of Margaret Butcher (Lear) (my friends ) family. her mother Margaret's name being Smith and Osborne and unsure if she had any siblings |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Nov 2017 15:34 |
Sidetracking a bit but Alma Clark's mmn was Hards, she's been mistranscribed as Alman here |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Nov 2017 15:25 |
It's certainly an interesting family lol :-) |
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John | Report | 9 Nov 2017 15:09 |
Now I have found the following. Alma M Osborne b Sept 1926 Rochford mother Clark. Then I found. Robert T Osborne b Sept 1926 Rochford mother Smith. Olive A Osborne b Sept 1932 Rochford. mother Smith. So I wonder, if Clarence was having an affair, are these all his children, think we have established that Margaret with the name of Osborne could be in fact Margaret Smith, If so he didn't marry Dorothy Margaret Smith until 3 yrs after she was born. Oh what a web has been weaved |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Nov 2017 14:54 |
Rita and Ruby appear to be twins born 1930, Ruby's birth also reg in both surnames. |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Nov 2017 14:51 |
Ivy was reg Clark but Rita was reg in both surnames |
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Rambling | Report | 9 Nov 2017 14:45 |
ah well, that is interesting, because on the 1939 Alma's entry is updated with marriage to Gosper 1951, but what I hadn't noticed is that Ivy D Osborne was updated to surname Wren. |
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John | Report | 9 Nov 2017 14:13 |
Hi Nyx. I have found a death for Clarence Frederick Osborne, it was 1945 Worthing, you may recall that Dorothy Margaret Osborne didn't marry Donald Small until 1944 presume that there could have been a divorce perhaps because Clarence Frederick Osborne was terminally ill, who knows. I decided to go on Ancestry and look in the Public Members trees and found the following which was extremely interesting. It was Clarence Frederick Osborne with a spouse Alma Beatrice Clarke, but I don't think they could have been married because Alma was only born in 1906 so if the same Clarence Frederick which I think it was, he married Dorothy Margaret Smith in 1919, making this Alma Clarke only 13 yrs old by then and I have found no marriage for her. According to the tree there were 7 children but on the tree it was written Private, then in 2002 Alma was with a Ronald Wren , gosh that made her 96 I couldn't believe it and there were 8 children listed yet again all Private. What I have done is contacted the gentleman who posted the family and his surname was Wren obviously to do with this Ronald Wren and asked if he may know anything about Clarence Frederick Osborne, will be interesting to hear the come back. Haven't looked up any Osborne children yey with mothers name of Clarke so will proceed with that. I wonder who parted between Clarence Frederick and Dorothy Margaret but we do know in 1935 on marriage of Charles Henry Butcher and Margaret Osborne , Dorothy was with Donald Small. |
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John | Report | 8 Nov 2017 23:51 |
Yes it is,an addiction , I have got up in the middle of the night before now to look up someone. I think you must be right with the Clarence F Osborne and Dorothy Margaret Smith in 1919 and when they married her daughter Margaret took his name, |
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Rambling | Report | 8 Nov 2017 23:18 |
John, I find it less of a hobby, more of an addiction lol. I have gone as far as I can with my own tree (probably) so enjoy helping where I can with other people's :-) |
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John | Report | 8 Nov 2017 23:08 |
If that is the case I will send for that when the marriage certificate comes back on 15th, next week and perhaps gives more into. The certificates I have sent for has never been for me, mostly for friends, so I do try and keep them to a minimum, that's why I come on here for help before I resort to send for them. Ancestry is a bit restricted.. I do this for a hobby now |
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Rambling | Report | 8 Nov 2017 18:14 |
That's why I think she was born with a different surname and Osborne was first married name rather than birth name . |
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John | Report | 8 Nov 2017 17:56 |
I have just been on GRO to order the marriage very for the Smalls. I went on the birth index and put in Dorothy Margaret Osborne fro 1894 taking her that's her who died ( as Dorothy M Small) 1977 and all that keeps coming up is Dorothy Margaret Osborne b 1894 Bedford , she was the only one. |
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Rambling | Report | 8 Nov 2017 17:50 |
I've been lucky as I had a lot of info to start with and many of mine show up on the LMA marriages and baptisms on Ancestry so I haven't had to spend too much. |
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