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On the 1939 register ( because it was updated for use by the NHS) if a person changes their name it will be noted, usually this is when a woman marries or remarries. In this case Osbourne has been crossed through and Richardson written in in green pen. There is a notation of date of name change 1951 which ties in with a remarriage

Marriages Sep 1951 (>99%)

OSBORNE Daisy RICHARDSON Chatham 5b 806
RICHARDSON John A OSBORNE Chatham 5b 806

Given that Daisy became Richardson , and her birthdate on 1939 matching it's probable that this is her death reg

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) DAISY
Last name RICHARDSON
Gender Female
Birth day 23
Birth month 2
Birth year 1902
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1975
District Bromley
County Kent
Volume 11
Page 0866
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

Have just looked back on the Lear family and i see that Brian's Lear parents lived at 93 Inoldsby Road in 1939 and his wife Margaret Butcher parents lived at 39 Ingolsby Road. Daisy Richardson being the mother of Brian's father. I thought Ingoldsby rang a bell after me doing his family. This is so ironical

So it looks like Daisy Osbourne nee Summers became Richardson in 1951 and died 1975. Bromley district. Crazy because the other Daisy Richardson re Lear family was born in that area.

Nyx. I really do appreciate your help, thank you . looks like I can go down the Osbourne line and the Summers line but not the father of Daisy Summers line. Looking at the daughters of Edward and Alice Summers perhaps Daisy and Henry Charles could be the children of their eldest daughter Alice. There is a 4yr difference between Daisy and Henry Charles so he maybe he could be the son of another daughter. who knows.

Reference 1922...

County Kent
Place Gravesend
Church name St George
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 2388
Marriage date 09 Sep 1922
Groom forename Frederick Thomas
Groom surname OSBORNE
Groom age 20
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 2 Church Alley
Groom occupation Carman
Bride forename Daisy
Bride surname SUMMERS
Bride age 20
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 2 Church Alley
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname OSBORNE
Groom father occupation Carman
Bride father forename Edward
Bride father surname SUMMERS (DECEASED)
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness Mary JESSOP
Witness E G SUMMERS
Register note Groom signed with x

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(from above link, if anything else relating there)

Chris :)

Edits

Birth
ORSBOURN, FREDERICK THOMAS (BURNETT)
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 614


1911 (Find My Past)
Jesse John Osborne Head Married Male Labourer 36 1875 Kent Aylesford
Emily Osborne Wife Married Female - 37 1874 Kent Stansted
Jesse John Osborne Son Single Male - 14 1897 Kent Gravesend
Frederick Osborne Son - Male - 9 1902 Kent Northfleet
George Osborne Son - Male - 3 1908 Kent Northfleet
Albert Osborne Son - Male - 1 1910 Kent Northfleet
9 Brunswick Road Gravesend, Gravesend, Kent
Census reference RG14 PN3820 RG78 PN145 RD44 SD1 ED7 SN192


Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Burnett Emily Strood 2a 1087
Orsbourne Jesse John C Strood 2a 1087

Hi Chris Ho, you very kindly helped me before on another family I had difficulty with. Thank you for this marriage information, it seems that Daisy was born out of wedlock and on her birth , no mothers maiden name. Presume Edward Summers was her grandfather

John on the marriage cert for Margaret and Charles Butcher, does it give an occupation for her father please?

Is there another Frederick Osborne living in Gravesend with age before 1902 possibly in the 1890's. I see 1922 reference, it states the occ. of Frederick Osborne marriage to Daisy a Summers as being a carman. On the marriage certificate. for Chsrles Henry Butcher and Margaret Osborne states her father occ.as being a tram driver. Presume Carman and Tram Driver being thr same thing.

Just not finding a birth for Margaret, even leaving out a surname or Osborne using no first name :-S

Not finding anything concrete

I'll come back with fresh eyes in the morning, unless Andy is up late and solves it :-)

I have just been looking on Family Search and found quite a few Frederick Osbornes in Kent birth 1892 /1897 it could be any of them. Unfortunately Margaret the daughter of Charles and Margaret (nee Osborne) Butcher has died and her husband is unsure but he insisted they were a Gravesend family, obviously not.

(just to add for 1922 Marriage, names as below)

Chris :)

North West Kent Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Edward George
Last name Summers
Age at death 52
Birth year 1865
Burial year 1917
Burial date 26 Jul 1917
Residence 37 Harmer Street
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery


First name(s) Alice
Last name Summers
Age at death 52
Birth year 1863
Burial year 1915
Burial date 01 Mar 1915
Residence 37 Harmer Street


First name(s) Edward George
Last name Summers
Age at death 51
Birth year 1889
Burial year 1940
Burial date 18 Apr 1940
Residence 12 Trafalgar Rd.
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery


(Witnesses)

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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Jessop Edward James Gravesend 2a 1173
SUMMERS Mary Ann Gravesend 2a 1173


Place Gravesend
Church name St George
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1676
Marriage date 08 Nov 1903
Groom forename Edward James
Groom surname JESSOP
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 37 Wakefield Street
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Mary Ann
Bride surname SUMMERS
Bride age 20
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Bath Road
Groom father forename James
Groom father surname JESSOP
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename Edward
Bride father surname SUMMERS
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness Alice WELFANE
Witness Rosetta SUMMERS


Baptism
County Kent
Place Strood
Church name St Nicholas of Myra
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 601
Baptism date 15 Jun 1883
Person forename Mary Ann Elizabeth
Person abode Brompton Lane
Father forename Edward George
Father surname SUMMERS
Father occupation Market Gardener
Mother forename Alice


Baptism
County Kent
Place Strood
Church name St Nicholas of Myra
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 139
Baptism date 05 Oct 1888
Person forename Edward George
Person abode Stonehorse Lane
Father forename Edward George
Father surname SUMMERS
Father occupation Market Gardener
Mother forename Alice

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


(below was another on link)

Baptism
County Kent
Place Strood
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 491
Baptism date 04 Aug 1895
Person forename Emily May
Person abode 18, Frindsbury Road
Father forename Edward George
Father surname SUMMERS
Father occupation Market Gardener
Mother forename Alice


County Kent
Place Strood
Church name St Nicholas of Myra
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 104
Marriage date 12 Aug 1917
Groom forename Arthur Frederick
Groom surname LANE
Groom age 22
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode 64 Brompton Lane
Groom occupation Soldier
Bride forename Emily May
Bride surname SUMMERS
Bride age 22
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode 64 Brompton Lane
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname LANE
Groom father occupation Market Gardener
Bride father forename Edward George
Bride father surname SUMMERS
Bride father occupation Market Gardener
Witness Walter Hubert FEARN
Witness Anthony Edward POMPHREY
Register note This entry is duplicated to allow for 3rd witness


1939 Register (Find My Past)

98 Ingoldsby Road , Gravesend M.B., Kent
Edward J Jessop 20 Aug 1882 Male Coal Labourer Widowed
Hannah C Jessop 31 Jul 1913 Female Street Johns Nurse Single
Lilian A George (Jessop) 28 May 1919 Female Photographer Assistant Single Charles E Jessop 26 Jul 1924 Male Laundry Van Boy Single


Deaths Sep 1933 (>99%)
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Jessop Mary A E 50 Strood 2a 717


North West Kent Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Mary Ann Elizabeth
Last name Jessop
Age at death 50
Birth year 1883
Burial year 1933
Burial date 06 Sep 1933
Residence 98 Ingoldsby Rd. Denton
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery


First name(s) Edward James
Last name Jessop
Age at death 78
Birth year 1883
Burial year 1961
Burial date 17 Oct 1961
Residence 41 Harmer Street
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery


1911 (Find My Past)
James Jessop Head Married Male General Labourer Farm 63 1848 Ipswich Norfolk
Hannah Jessop Wife Married Female - 58 1853 Norwich Norfolk
Edward James Jessop Son Married Male General Labourer Farm 28 1883 Gravesend Kent
Mary - Ann Elizabeth Jessop Daughter In Law Married Female - 27 1884 Strood Kent
Edward Charles Jessop Grandson Single Male - 3 1908 Gravesend Kent
Jonnie Jessop Grandson Single Male - 0 1911 Gravesend Kent
Georgie Jessop Grandson Single Male - 4 1907 Gravesend Kent
George Osborne Grandson Single Male Gardener 18 1893 Gravesend Kent
4 Gladstone Place Gravesend, Gravesend, Kent,
Census reference RG14 PN3828 RG78 PN145 RD44 SD1 ED15 SN123


(possibly below, for George)

Birth
OSBORNE, GEORGE JAMES (JESSOP)
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 493


(and Burial below, if him)

First name(s) George James
Last name Osborne
Age at death 64
Birth year 1893
Burial year 1957
Burial date 28 Mar 1957
Residence 36 Elm Rd.
Place Gravesend
Burial ground Municipal Cemetery


1939 Register (Find My Past)

36 Elm Road , Gravesend M.B., Kent,
George J Osborne 19 Oct 1895 Male Rubber Labourer Single


(no idea if he links to below!, 1901

County Kent
Place Nurstead
Church name St Mildred
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 31
Marriage date 31 May 1896
Groom forename George
Groom surname OSBORNE
Groom age 25
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Singlewell
Groom occupation Labourer
Bride forename Elizabeth Harriet
Bride surname JESSOP
Bride age 23
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Singlewell
Groom father forename George
Groom father surname OSBORNE
Groom father occupation Deceased Labourer
Bride father forename James
Bride father surname JESSOP
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness James JESSOP
Witness Helen NORMAN
Register note After banns


1901 (Find My Past)
George Osborn Head Married Male 31 1870 General Labourer Gravesend, Kent, England
Eliza Osborn Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Gravesend, Kent, England
George Osborn Son Single Male 8 1893
1, Chase Square, Gravesend, Kent,

Chris Ho. I really do appreciate the post above but I honestly don't think that the SUMMERS family are the correct family.. Looking at the 1901 Osborne family Gravesend there was no son Frederick and the father of Margaret Osborne who no one seems to be able to find a birth for was married in 1935 age 19 so that makes her b1916 , hence her father Frederick must have been born around approx 1895 at least. The Frederick Osborne married to a Daisy Summers was born 1902 so it can't be Margaret Osborns father..

There's only a very small number of Margarets born 1916/7 in Kent, (none in Gravesend) none of them seem likely.

John on the marriage cert for Margaret, who are the witnesses please? Just trying every avenue.

Only thing I can come up with is this birth

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Summers Betty M Summers Thanet 2a 2014

Out of area, but if she dropped the Betty....

Can't see a marriage or death that easily fits.

Andy

This is very far out, but i have worked through the Osbornes of various spellings in Kent to look for whoever might be Margaret's mother /father with no joy. Have edited out the Adlington family just to save time, the 'Osborne' servant mentioned does not give first name age or birthplace.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
104 Darnley Road Gravesend Kent, Gravesend, Kent, England

Jonathan Adlington Head Married Male Solicitor 45 1866
- Osborne Servant Married Unknown Domestic Servant General - - -

Andy, that looks like a good maybe, as I can't find anything else on her.

Might be worth looking to see if any of the Summers girls were working in Thanet and then Betty M took the Osborne name if she was living with Daisy? Otherwise I am stumped!

Does Betty Summers appear on 1939 register?

Andy

Edward G Summers married again in 1915

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Summers Edward G Taylor Gravesend 2a 1778
Taylor Elizabeth A Summers Gravesend 2a 1778

Deaths Sep 1917 (>99%)
Summers Edward G 52 Gravesend 2a 642

His probate record for 1917 is on https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

gives address as 37 Harmer st which matches up, administration to Elizaberth Ann Summers, his widow, effects £58.5s .

No she doesn't Andy, and no obvious married Betty M with right birth year ( a year or so either way) to account for her.