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CAROLINE HOLYOAKE
I keep coming up against brick walls!! Please can anyone help with info about my Granny. Born1883 - Died.
1926 6D291
Married to Richard Bunn 24/4/1910 6D 89
Father GEORGE HOLYOAKE.
One daughter - Winnifred Marie Bunn born 1917.
I think Caroline came from a fairly large family, I don't have any other ideas.

ANY help appreciated

Jenny

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for info


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9 Hollier Street Birmingham, Aston, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Richard Bunn Head Married Male Electric Plater 24 1887 West Bromish
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Caroline Bunn Wife Married Female Moper 28 1883 Birmingham
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Amelia Bratt Niece - Female School 13 1898 Birmingham

HOLYOAKE, CAROLINE BRATT Order
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 74 Order

HOLYOAKE, CAROLINE MASON Order
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 109

hi
jenny
what is Father GEORGE HOLYOAKE
occupation ? on the marriage cert

and address

This is I think the Holyoake Family with mmn Mason

1891 Census

Name: Caroline Holyoake
Gender: Female
Age: 9
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1882
Father: John Holyoake
Mother: Emma Holyoake
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
Residence Place: Bordesley, Aston, Warwickshire, England
Registration district: Aston
Sub registration district: Deritend
ED, Institution or Vessel: 14

Piece: 2404
Folio: 6

John Holyoake 42
Emma Holyoake 42
Eliza Holyoake 21
John Holyoake 15
Mary Ann Holyoake 13
Emma Holyoake 11
Caroline Holyoake 9
Ethel Holyoake 6


Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
Holyoake John Birmingham 6d 94
Mason Emma Birmingham 6d 94



This is the other Caroline Holyoake in 1891 in the Home for Emigrating Waifs and Strays. There are both girls and boys in the Home. I'm not sure what that is all about ........... but she is with what looks like her sister Annie ..............

1891 Census

Name: Caroline Holyoake
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Relationship: Emigrant
Birth Year: 1883
Birth Place: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Edgbaston
Ecclesiastical parish: Edgbaston St Bartholomew
Residence Place: Edgbaston, Warwickshire, England
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub registration district: Edgbaston
ED, Institution or Vessel: Middlemores Home for Emigrating Waifs and Strays
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2360
Folio: 123

Marian Irving 38, Widow, Matron of Childrens Emigration Home (Boys)
Alice Hawkins 34 Married, Matron of Childrens Emigration House (Girls)
Rose Storror 23 Servant
Thomas Baller 48 Porter
Eliza Woodcock 18 Nurse (Temporary)
Alice Morris 12 Emigrant
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. May Tate 13
Caroline Holyoake 8
Annie Holyoake 7
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The Caroline in the Emigrants Home does not show up on the 1901 Census ................ it is possible that she was sent as Home Child to Canada or to Australia.

IF the Caroline in the Emigrants Home is your Caroline, she and Annie were sent to Canada .......


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

C Holyoake 8 abt 1883 1 Jun 1891 Liverpool, England Quebec, Canada
Annie Holyoake 8 abt 1884 16 Jun 1892 Liverpool, England Quebec, Canada


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: C Holyoake
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Birth Date: abt 1883
Departure Date: 1 Jun 1891
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Parisian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Parisian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Master: I Ritchie

no further information on the image, but there are lots of children.


UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name: Annie Holyoake
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Birth Date: abt 1884
Departure Date: 16 Jun 1892
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Circassian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Circassian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Master: Robert P Moore

no further information on the iamge, but there are once again lots of children

The dates don't match, but this is a record for Caroline in Canada ..... from FMP


Canada, Home Children Immigration Records Index, 1869-1930

Event date 1895-06-28
Record set Canada, Home Children Immigration Records Index, 1869-1930
First name(s) Caroline
Sex Female
Last name Holyoake
Year 1895
Ship name Carthaginian
State -
Country Canada
Age 8
Name full party Middlemore Homes
Place Fairview Home, Halifax, Nova Scotia
Record source Library and Archives Canada
Microfilm C-4516
Record type Passenger Lists
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Canada, North America

The Caroline who went to Canada does not seem to match your Caroline, but you would have to buy the birth certificate for mmn Bratt to be sure.


Although the 1911 does show niece Amelia Bratt living with Caroline and Richard ..........

Richard Bunn Head Married Male Electric Plater 24 1887 West Bromish
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Caroline Bunn Wife Married Female Moper 28 1883 Birmingham
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Amelia Bratt Niece - Female School 13 1898 Birmingham 99%)

Bratt John Birmingham 6d 51
FITTER Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 51




If she is not, then for some reason, she gave the wrong name for her father :-S

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1357103

(related info.)

Chris :)


(from above, below)

Catherine Report 3 Jan 2016 22:02

Father is George

Name: Caroline Holyoake
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1883
Occupation:- Polisher
Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1910
Marriage Age: 27
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Richard Buan
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 22
xxxx Father: George Holyoake
Occupation:- Jeweller (deceased)
Spouse's Father: James Buan
Reference Number: DRO 9
Archive Roll: 609

Witness:- Annie Holyoake (see 1891 census below) Edits, (Residence at Time for both, 1 Temple Place, Hampton Street)


Edits (not 1917 for daughter)


Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
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Bunn Winifred M Holyoake Kings N . 6d 69

(looks to be Richard below)

Chris :)

Deaths Sep 1926 (>99%)
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Bunn Caroline 43 Birmingham N. 6d 291


Marriages Dec 1928 (>99%)
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BUNN Richard Jinks Birmingham S. 6d 231
Jinks Annie I Bunn Birmongham S 6d 231


1939 Register (Find My Past)

179 Highbury Road , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire,
Winifred M Livingstone (Bunn) 10 May 1919 Female Cardbox Making Assistant Chocolate Works Single
Richard Bunn 22 Jun 1887 Male General Labourer Public Works Department Arp Married
Annie I Bunn 07 Aug 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


(just to add, below was about also, daughter of Alfred and Elizabeth Rodgers, 1881, Birmingham. His occ. Engraver/Jeweller)

Birth
HOLYOAK, CAROLINE (ROGERS)
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 84


(no idea on things!, but below occ. was Watch Hand Maker. Abode, 19 Redyards Buildings, Edward Street)


Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 (Ancestry)

Harry Holyoak
22 Jan 1875 Birmingham, St Mark
George,
Maria

(also below)

George Charles Holyock
5 May 1860 1 Jul 1860 Birmingham, St Thomas
George,
Maria


Mary Elizabeth Holyoke
4 Feb 1863 Nechells, St Clement
George,
Maria


Caroline Holyoake
1 Feb 1883 Bordesley, St Alban
John,
Emma
(his occ. Shoemaker. Abode, back of 42 Macdonald Street)


(below pair, George occ. Jeweller. Abode, 21 Forge Street)

Alfred Hollyoake
21 Aug 1897 Birmingham, St Jude
George,
Mary Ann


Annie Hollyoake
21 Aug 1897 Birmingham, St Jude
George,
Mary Ann

(for them, same as Caroline posted earlier)

Birth
HOLYOAK, ANNIE (BRATT)
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 76


Birth
HOLYOAKE, ALFRED (BRATT)
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 73


Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 (Ancestry)

Annie Holyoak abt 1891
10 Feb 1917 Birmingham, St Mary
Spouse Harry Wynn
(her Father, George (Deceased. Diamond Setter. Residence for her, Shaftesbury House, St. Mary's Row)


Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Wynn Eva A Holyoaks Kings N. 6d 89


Edits (notes that address for Annie, 1917 Marriage, from google search)

http://www.formerchildrenshomes.org.uk/birmingham_1929.html

(Working Girls’ Hostel, Shaftesbury House, 3, 4 and 5 St Mary’s Row)

Listed as Carry Fitter in 1901:

Name: Carry Fitter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Event Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
County: Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: St Jude
Sub-District: St Martin
Registration District: Birmingham
Residence Note: Back Inge Street
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Occupation: POLISHER
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1883
Birthplace: Bham
Schedule Type: 205
Page Number: 37


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Mary A Fitter Head F 52 Bilston, Staffordshire
William Fitter Son M 24 Bilston, Staffordshire
John Fitter Son M 20 Bham
Carry Fitter Daughter F 18 Bham
Annie Holyoake Daughter F 15 Bham
Alfred Holyoake Son M 7 Bham
Alma Bratt Grand Daughter F 3 Bham
Joseph Bratt Grand Son M 0 Bham


Rose

Marriages Mar 1871
Bratt Mary Ann King's N. 6c 512
Fitter William King's N. 6c 512

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1891:

Name: Caroline Fitter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Warwickshire
Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST JUDE
Sub-District:
Registration District: Birmingham
Residence Note: Inge Street
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1884
Birthplace: Warwickshire, England
Schedule Type:
Page:
Page Number: 28
Line Number: 7
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 2375/ 36


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Mary A Fitter Head F 42 Staffordshire, England
Mary A Fitter Daughter F 19 Warwickshire, England
Florence Fitter Daughter F 15 Warwickshire, England
Amy Fitter Daughter F 16 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
William Fitter Son M 14 Warwickshire, England
John J Fitter Son M 11 Warwickshire, England
Caroline Fitter Daughter F 7 Warwickshire, England
Annie Fitter Daughter F 5 Warwickshire, England



Rose

1881:

Name: Mary Fitter
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1881
Event Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Registration District: Birmingham
Residence Note: Suffolk St
Gender: Female
Age: 32
Marital Status (Original): Widow
Occupation: Charwoman ((Carewoman))
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Institution:
Birth Date:
Birth Year:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1849
Birthplace: Bradley, Staffordshire, England
Book Number:
Page Number: 21
Household ID: 2799483
Line Number: 16
Registration Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2977/76
Affiliate Record Type: Household
GS Film Number: 101774842
Digital Folder Number: 101774842
Image Number: 00683


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Mary Fitter Head F 32 Bradley, Staffordshire, England
Ann Fitter Daughter F 9 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Florance Fitter Daughter F 8 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
William Fitter Son M 4 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
John Fitter Son M 0 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England


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1871:

Name: Mary Ann
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Birmingham, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
District:
Enumeration District: 24
Gender: Female
Age: 22
Marital Status: Married
Occupation:
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birth Year (Estimated): 1849
Birthplace: Bradley, Staffordshire
Household ID: 93
Entry Number: 18
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/3101/0026
GS Film Number: 000839571
Digital Folder Number: 004405185
Image Number: 00333


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Fitter Head M 37 Birmingham
Mary Ann Wife F 22 Bradley, Staffordshire


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Birth registration of the niece with her in 1911


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BRATT, AMELIA MARIA FITTER
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 86 Order

Not seeing Amelia in 1901 but perhaps her mother died?


First name(s) MARY ANN
Last name BRATT
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1873
Age 27
Death quarter 4
Death year 1900
District Birmingham
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D
Page 30
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Possible siblings for Amelia?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
BRATT, JOSEPH ALFRED FITTER Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 71 Order
BRATT, WILLIAM JOHN FITTER Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 45 Order

So Joseph is on the 1901 census (already posted above) with his grandmother Mary Ann Fitter. Amelia is there too but listed as Alma.

????

could carrie be caroline age out a bit


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Hospital Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Holyoak Head Married Male 49 1842 Watch Hand Maker Warwickshire, England
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Selina Holyoak Mother Widow Female 73 1818 House Work Bedfordshire, England
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Daniel Holyoak Son Single Male 19 1872 Gem Setter Warwickshire, England
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Arthur Holyoak Son - Male 15 1876 Stamper Warwickshire, England
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Nellie Holyoak Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Warwickshire, England
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Carrie Holyoak Daughter - Female 4 1887 - Warwickshire, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxx