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13 Oct 2017 16:19 |
Thanks Malyon You have been really helpful. I have plenty to go on now.
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11 Oct 2017 18:49 |
I can see 5 children born to john and frances
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11 Oct 2017 18:44 |
John Owen mentioned in the record of John Owen and Frances Baker Name John Owen Spouse's Name Frances Baker Event Date 1809 Event Place Gnosall, Stafford, England
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11 Oct 2017 18:40 |
John Owen England, Staffordshire, Church Records Name John Owen Event Type Burial Event Date 28 Jun 1851 Event Place Bradley, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original) Bradley, Staffordshire, England Parish St Mary & All Saints Age 79 Death Date 1851 Affiliate Image Identifier D3379/8
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11 Oct 2017 18:39 |
Name John Owen Event Type Census Event Date 1851 Event Place Bradley, Staffordshire, England Registration District Stafford Gender Male Age 79 Marital Status Married Occupation Ag Lab Now Pauper Relationship to Head of Household Head Birth Year (Estimated) 1772 Birthplace Bradley, Staffordshire Page Number 5 Registration Number HO107 Piece/Folio 1999 / 551 Affiliate Record Type Household John Owen Head M 79 Bradley, Staffordshire Frances Owen Wife F 64 Gnosall, Staffordshire
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11 Oct 2017 18:37 |
John Owen England Births and Christenings Name John Owen Residence Place England Gender Male Christening Date 10 Sep 1772 Christening Date (Original) 10 Sep 1772 Christening Place Parrish Of St. Helen, Worcester, Stafford, England Father's Name David Owen Mother's Name Sarah
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shirley
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11 Oct 2017 16:06 |
Thanks again safc and greyghost you have both been really helpful. I shall get to work on the info you have provided. :-)
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10 Oct 2017 23:28 |
There is a marriage in Bradley 1821 of a James Owen and Hannah Lees
With baptisms to James and Hannah from 1821 including Elizabeth (1841 census above) so not your couple
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: OWEN, ELIZABETH LEES Order GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in STAFFORD UNION Volume 17 Page 123
Stafford RD covers Bradley
(Sorry, bed calls)
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10 Oct 2017 23:27 |
James Owen England, Staffordshire, Church Records Name James Owen Event Type Marriage Event Date 29 Jun 1815 Event Place Eccleshall, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original) Eccleshall, Staffordshire, England Parish Holy Trinity Residence Place Bradley Spouse's Name Margaret Williams Spouse's Residence Place Eccleshall Affiliate Image Identifier D3767/1/10
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shirley
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10 Oct 2017 23:23 |
greyghost - will have to double check my info, but I think the first James had a son James and they both married a Hannah. That is what I thought anyway but will need to recheck. Thanks again for your info.
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10 Oct 2017 23:21 |
A sister to James and Joseph
Staffordshire baptisms Transcription
First name(s) Jane Last name Owen Baptism year 1817 Baptism date 19 Jan 1817 Baptism place Bradley, St Mary & All Saints Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) James Mother's first name(s) Margt County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3379/6 Page 8 Register type Baptism Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
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shirley
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10 Oct 2017 23:18 |
Yes greyghost the 1851 census is the correct family and the info you give would seem to make sense. thank you.
safc - your info would also seem to be right. thank you.
Would appreciate any help you can find regarding the John Owen b. c1772 he could be my 5 x gt. grandfather. Many thanks
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10 Oct 2017 23:13 |
If this is the James and Hannah family you site in the 1851/61 census, they have a son James born 1831 - so unlikely if there was a James b 1819 (unless a son of Hannah and he is using the Owen surname)
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Bradley, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place James Owen Male 40 1801 Staffordshire, England Hannah Owen Female 35 1806 Staffordshire, England James Owen Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England Thomas Owen Male 5 1836 Staffordshire, England George Owen Male 3 1838 Staffordshire, England Elizabeth Owen Female 1 1840 Staffordshire, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Owen Head Married Male 55 1796 Agricultural Lab Bradley, Staffordshire, England Hannah Owen Wife Married Female 50 1801 - Bradley, Staffordshire, England George Owen Son - Male 14 1837 Scholar Bradley, Staffordshire, England Elizabeth Owen Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Bradley, Staffordshire, England
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10 Oct 2017 23:02 |
Joseph Owen England, Staffordshire, Church Records Name Joseph Owen Event Type Baptism Event Date 31 Dec 1820 Event Place Bradley, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original) Bradley, Staffordshire, England Parish St Mary & All Saints Father's Name James Owen Mother's Name Margaret Owen Affiliate Image Identifier D3379/6
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10 Oct 2017 22:58 |
?? Staffordshire burials Transcription
First name(s) James Last name Owen Age 74 Birth year 1794 Death year 1868 Death date ? ? 1868 Burial year 1868 Burial date 06 Sep 1868 Burial place Bradley, St Mary & All Saints Denomination Anglican County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3379/8 Page 73 Register type Burial
Abode - Bradley
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10 Oct 2017 22:56 |
?? Staffordshire burials Transcription
First name(s) Margaret Last name Owen Age 32 Birth year 1795 Death year 1827 Death date ? ? 1827 Burial year 1827 Burial date 06 Mar 1827 Burial place Bradley, St Mary & All Saints Denomination Anglican County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3379/8 Page 18 Register type Burial
Abode - Billington
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safc
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10 Oct 2017 22:41 |
Field Value County Staffordshire Place (link for place information) Seighford Church name St Chad Register type Unspecified Register entry number 29 Marriage date 23 Jun 1841 Groom forename James Groom surname OWEN Groom age full age Groom occupation Labourer Bride forename Hannah Bride surname HAWKINS Bride age full age Groom father forename James Groom father surname OWEN Groom father occupation Labourer Bride father forename Robert Bride father surname HAWKINS Bride father occupation Farmer Witness Joseph OWEN Witness Ann TILSLEY Register note Transcriber notes
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10 Oct 2017 22:37 |
?? Staffordshire baptisms Transcription
First name(s) James Last name Owen Baptism year 1819 Baptism date 02 May 1819 Baptism place Bradley, St Mary & All Saints Denomination Anglican Father's first name(s) James Mother's first name(s) Margt County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3379/6 Page 14 Register type Baptism Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
Abode - Billington
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10 Oct 2017 22:34 |
Staffordshire marriages Transcription
First name(s) James Last name Owen Age Of Full Age Marriage year 1841 Marriage date 23 Jun 1841 Marriage place Seighford, St Chad Denomination Anglican Residence Seighford Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Owen Spouse's first name(s) Hannah Spouse's last name Hawkins Spouse's age Of Full Age Spouse's residence Seighford Spouse's father's first name(s) Robt Spouse's father's last name Hawkins County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3853/1/1 Page 15 Register type Marriage
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10 Oct 2017 22:23 |
For our reference - is this your family?
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Seighford, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place James Owen Head Married Male 32 1819 Agricultural Labourer Bradley, Staffordshire, England Hannah Owen Wife Married Female 31 1820 - Seighford, Staffordshire, England Harriet Owen Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Seighford, Staffordshire, England John Owen Son Unmarried Male 6 1845 - Seighford, Staffordshire, England Ann Owen Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Seighford, Staffordshire, England James Owen Son - Male 2 1849 - Seighford, Staffordshire, England John Hawkins Nephew Unmarried Male 20 1831 Farm Servant Seighford, Staffordshire, England
Your OP not very clear
You're saying James and Hannah married in 1841 - ? also that his Father was James a Labourer and her Father was Robert - is this from the Marriage certificate.
You're then wondering if the Father James was b 1796 and was married to a Hannah
and his Father was possibly John b 1772 and married to Frances?
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