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Forgot to mention the birth record you found for James Hulse looks suspicious. When I took a look at the image the name was Thomas Hulse and the volume number didn't look right either, so I can't be certain if it's James or not. Thank you for mentioning it to me though. It looks like there is a typing error somewhere, so it might well be him after all but I don't have any siblings or parents for James Hulse, so ordering the birth certificate wouldn't be of any help at the moment.

Yes, I was thinking of buying the marriage certificate but have now found Walter, he was born in 1907 and died in 1976, he married Vera in 1954, by the looks of it this was his second marriage. He was born in Nantwich Cheshire, married his first wife in Nantwich, then went on to marry Vera in Northwich, he passed away in Vale Royal which I believe is part of Northwich. As far as I can tell Vera is still alive and living in the Cheshire area, not far from where she was born.

The reason it took me so long to find Walter is because he was 15 years older than Vera, I found him by chance as I was only looking for him having a birth year within 10 years of Vera's year of birth. I'm pleased I've found him and thank you all for your help.

However, I've still not been able to find James Hulse's birth or death dates yet. I'm beginning to think those dates will always remain a puzzle. :-S

To be absolutely sure about Harry, you should order his birth cert to check father's name.


Similarly, if you buy Vera's marriage cert (Northwich 1954), it will hopefully give you clues re Walter.
His age, for instance, would be a help.

For example:

There was one born 1925, Birmingham, mms Mason.
Another born 1926 Liverpool, mms Walton.


Both he and Vera may still be alive.


EDIT:

Probably the death of the 1925 one (so probably not the right one):

Walter Henry Perkins
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Walter Henry Perkins
Death Age: 57
Birth Date: 4 May 1925
Registration Date: Sep 1982
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 32
Page: 0918

Thank you so much for all your research, I've now entered Harry as James and Jane's 2nd child. I've also found their 1st child's (Ethel Noden Hulse) marriage to a James Hooley Egerton and found their three children:

1. Vera H Egerton born Quarter December 1922 Northwich

2. Joyce Egerton born Quarter March 1924 Northwich

3. James A Egerton born Quarter September 1927 Died Quarter September 1927 both events in Northwich.

I've also found the marriage for Vera H Egerton to a Walter H Perkins, but unfortunately I can't seem to find his birth record. I've been trying for a few hours now but with no luck.

I tried looking for Vera and Walter's children and found one:

1. Ian Perkins born Quarter September 1957 Northwich. Who went on to marry a Janet Moss in 1976 in HIgh Peak Derbyshire.

Going back to Walter Perkins not only do I have a missing birth record for him, I also can't seem to locate his death record and I can't seem to find a death record for Vera either.

I shall take another look for the missing records tomorrow.

Thank you for helping me find Harry, I didn't even know they had another child until Erika mentioned it, so I'm really grateful for your help in confirming my findings.

You mentioned the child Harry:

HULSE, HARRY mms WALKER
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 287


Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At Reference
HULSE Harry Winsford Cheshire West WI/49/082



Given the place and surnames, it seems reasonable to assume he was James's son, but of course he died before the 1901 census, so can't tell from that.

In 1901 the family lived in Over, which is part of Winsford.

Over, Cheshire
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Over is a former borough and market town that forms the western part of the town of Winsford in the English county of Cheshire. Wharton forms the eastern part, the boundary being the River Weaver.


Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1901
Surname Forename(s) Age or Date of Birth Sub-District Registers At Reference
HULSE Harry - Winsford Cheshire West WI/25/215

this looks like Jane in 1861 (apologies if already posted):


Jane Walker
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Jane Walker
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Charles Walker
Mother's name: Eliza Walker
Gender: Female
Where born: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Piece: 2606
Folio: 70
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Walker 29
Eliza Walker 29 - born Little Budworth
William Walker 8
Jane Walker 3
Sarah Hannah Walker 11/12


So these parents (1857 Northwich birth therefore correct):

CURZONS Eliza Northwich 8a 270
WALKER Charles Northwich 8a 270

WALKER, JANE mms CURZON
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 210


???

Marriages Jun 1852 (>99%)
Curzon Amelia Northwich 8a 314
Walker Peter Northwich 8a 314


NO - looks like either wrong marriage or wrong Jane - no sign of her with Peter & Amelia in 1861:

Peter Walker
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Peter Walker
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Amelia Walker
Gender: Male
Where born: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Piece: 2606
Folio: 67
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Walker 33
Amelia Walker 36

???

Births Mar 1842 (>99%)
Hulse James Northwich 19 197


It doesn't show up when searching on the GRO website.

This is the 1911 which Erika mentioned:


Jane Hulse
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Jane Hulse
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Over
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 63 John Street
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Northwich
Registration District Number: 447
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 21702
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hulse 69
Jane Hulse 53
Lizza Noden 25 - stepdaughter ("step" added later)
Charles Noden 22 - stepson ("step" added later)
Walter Noden 19 - son (they've forgotten to add "step" to this one)
Ethel Hulse 12 - daughter

Thanks ErikaH for the information.

I've had a quick look and think I might of found their 2nd child called Harry Hulse, he was born in Northwich, the same as Ethel in Quarter June 1900 and he died in 1901 Quarter March.

How do you know who the father is as I would like to see if Harry's father was James Hulse, then I'd know I have him right?

If you don't mind would it be possible to let me know who the living child was on the 1911 census please. I'm hoping it was Ethel. Also James and Jane Hulse, (nee Walker), year of births. I have Jane as being born in 1857 and think I've found her birth record in Northwich, but I can't seem to find a birth record for James. I have him being born in 1842 but I'm not sure if this is right. I think he may of been born in Prescot Lancashire, but I could be wrong. Because I can't find a birth record for him I haven't found a death date for him yet.

Thanks again for your help I really appreciate it.

In 1911, second wife Jane says there have been two children born in the marriage - one has died.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
HULSE, EMMIE WALKER Order
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 272

Deaths Jun 1913 (>99%)
Hulse Emmie 12 Northwich 8a 320

NO.............her father was named Walter

Jane Wakefield (unmarried) in 1871 (not sure if already posted, as I haven't read every entry)

Argyle Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Birth place First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation
Northamptonshire, England Joseph Turner Head - Male 33 1838 - Transcription
Lancashire, England B Lawrence Turner Son - Male 12 1859 - Transcription
Hampshire, England E Turner Sister - Female 42 1829 - Transcription
Cheshire, England Jane Wakefield Servant - Female 30 1841

Looked at the GRO index and no Hulse/Wakefield births other than the ones you have listed above


HULSE, FREDERICK GEORGE WALKER Order
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in NANTWICH Volume 08A Page 346


Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%)
Hulse Frederick George 0 Nantwich 8a 217

NO - father's name William

Hi everyone

I am the friend who Mel was trying to help. I've just found this thread as I'm still stuck on this family so thought I'd see if anyone else was researching them too. It's quite a complicated family to say the least, but I'd like to thank everyone for helping Mel to help me. You are all very kind :-)

I'm now trying to find the children of James Hulse born circa 1842 and Jane Wakefield (born 1841 Runcorn and died Quarter September 1893 Prescot Lancashire).

The children I've found so far are:

1. Sarah Jane Hulse born Quarter September 1874 Prescot Lancs. Died December 1879 Prescot

2. James William Hulse born Quarter September 1877 Prescot Lancashire

3. Lawrence born Quarter March 1881 Prescot Lancs. Died Quarter March 1881

I've yet to find a marriage for James Hulse and Jane Wakefield so I don't know if they had any more children before Sarah Jane. With Jane Hulse nee Wakefield passing away in 1893 any other children would of been born before that year.
At the moment I'm trying to find out how many children they had as I'm sure they would of had more than three.

To complicate things further after James's first wife passed away he went on to marry again to another Jane (born Northwich 1857- died Northwich 1928). Her name on the marriage record was Noden but her maiden name was actually Walker, as Noden was her name from her first marriage.

I've found a child born to James and his second wife Jane Walker called:

Ethel Noden Hulse born Quarter March 1899 Northwich Cheshire.

Northwich is where James and Jane Walker married, (Quarter June 1898).

I know you have all worked so hard already for me and I'm so grateful, but I was hoping you might be kind enough to help me further with trying to see if James and his first wife, or even his second wife. may of had more children.

Thanks Gill

What good girls you are looking all this up for me and my friend. I thank you so much for your time and trouble. I know we like a challenge but I think this one takes the biscuit. :-S

Have to go out now but will look through what you have posted tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks Mel

I've no idea, Maddie! There are too many of them very similar.

well if the marriage to collins is right his father was a boiler maker / salt so 1881 and 1891 census would fit occupation and maybe 1871 where occupaton may be wrong.

1911 has him in OVER
James Hulse
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
Event Place Over, Winsford, Cheshire, England
County Cheshire
Parish Over
Sub-District Over
Registration District Northwich
Gender Male
Age 69
Marital Status (Original) MARRIED
Occupation BOILERSMITH
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
Birthplace And Parish Of Over, Cheshire
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Line 1
Page 1
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
James Hulse Head M 69 And Parish Of Over, Cheshire
Jane Hulse Wife F 53 Born At Wahrton, Cheshire
Liza Noden Stepdaughter F 25 Born At Over, Cheshire
Charles Noden Stepson M 22 Born At Over, Cheshire
Walter Noden Son M 19 Born At Over, Cheshire
Esther Hulse Daughter F 12 Born At Over, Cheshire

Apart from that i really dont know, as you say it may be the wrong family

sorry
maddie

The more I search, the more James Hulses I find - think I'll give up!

and 1911:

James Hulse
in the 1911 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Age in 1911: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Uncle
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Winsford, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 17 Washington St Liverpool
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Liverpool
Registration District Number: 453
Sub-registration district: Abercromby
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 22195
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Edwin Hulse 37 - head - salt heaver
Sarah Hulse 35 - wife
James Hulse 67 - uncle, widowed
Marion Hulse 8/12 - daughter

Here's 1891 for that family (apparently):


James Hulse
in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Hulse
Gender: Male
Age: 46
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1845
Spouse: Sarah A Hulse
Birth Place: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton
Residence Place: Wharton, Wharton, Cheshire, England
Registration district: Northwich
Sub registration district: Over
ED, Institution or Vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2841
Folio: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hulse 46 - general labourer
Sarah A Hulse 45
Edwin Hulse 17 - nephew
Samuel Hulse 12 - nephew
Elizabeth Hulse 8 - niece
Martha Hulse 6 - niece



And in 1901:

Sarah A Hulse
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sarah A Hulse
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Hulse
Birth Place: Wharton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Wharton
Ecclesiastical parish: Wharton Christchurch
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: Boatman (cinder boat) - overwritten "Barge"
Registration district: Northwich
Sub-registration district: Over
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3343
Folio: 172
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hulse 57
Sarah A Hulse 56
Sarah E Hulse 18 - niece
Martha Hulse 16 - niece


So they're not the Hulse / Noden family ??