Find Ancestors

Hi

Can anyone find a birth on civil registration for james Hogan , supposedly in Nelson Lancashire in 1882 on October 16th.
I am also unable to find him on the 1911 census . he married his wife Evelyn Coates on the Fylde in 1911 but he was supposedly at the time living in Burnley Lancashire .
thanks
Shirley :-)

Possibly???

HOGON, JAMES mother's maiden name O'DONALL
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION Volume 08E Page 286



Possible marriage for parents:

Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
Hogan James Bradford, Y. 9b 305 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Jennings Alfred Bradford Y 9b 305
LOFTHOUSE Mary Ellen Bradford, Y. 9b 305
O'Donell Margaret Bradford Y 9b 305<<<<<<<<<<<<<


if this is him in 1901 census:


James Hogan
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name James Hogan
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Burnley, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Civil Parish Burnley
Ecclesiastical Parish Gannow St John The Baptist
Sub-District West Ward
Registration District Burnley
Residence Note Padiham Road
Gender Male
Age 18
Occupation COTTON WEAVER
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1883
Birthplace Nelson, Lancashire
Schedule Type 24
Page Number 4
Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace
James Hogan Head M 49 Bardford, Yorkshire
Margaret Hogan Wife F 44 Ireland
Ellen Hogan Daughter F 23 Bradford, Yorkshire
Sarah Hogan Daughter F 21 Bradford, Yorkshire
James Hogan Son M 18 Nelson, Lancashire
Joseph Hogan Son M 16 Nelson, Lancashire
Annie Hogan Daughter F 13 Nelson, Lancashire

1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
218, Padiham Road, Burnley, Lancashire, England

Learn more
Print transcription View image
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Hogan Head Married Male 49 1852 Cotton Warp Dyer Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Margaret Hogan Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Ireland
Transcription
Ellen Hogan Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Cotton Weaver Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Sarah Hogan Daughter Single Female 21 1880 Dressmaker Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
James Hogan Son Single Male 18 1883 Cotton Weaver Nelson, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Joseph Hogan Son Single Male 16 1885 Cotton Warp Dyer Nelson, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Annie Hogan Daughter Single Female 13 1888 Cotton Weaver Nelson, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Kathleen Hogan Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Burnley, Lancashire, England
Transcription
Josephine Hogan Daughter Single Female 6 1895 - Burnley, Lancashire, England

1911
9 Prescott St Burnley, Burnley, Lancashire, England

Learn more
Print transcription View image
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Peter Melia Head Married Male Bricklayer 29 1882 Lancs Burnley
Transcription
Ellen Melia Wife Married Female Cotton Weaver 33 1878 Yorks Bradford
Transcription
Census details

Baptism: 24 Mar 1895 St Mary Magdalene, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Josephina Hogan - filia Jacobi Hogan & Margaretae (formerly O'Donnell)
Born: 8 Mar 1895
Godparents: Joannes Murphy; Maria Lally
Notes: [Gabriel and Josephina in one entry]
Baptised by: O. M. Raymond
Register: Baptisms 1891 - 1896, Page 65
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 24 Mar 1895 St Mary Magdalene, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Gabriel Hogan - filia Jacobi Hogan & Margaretae (formerly O'Donnell)
Born: 8 Mar 1895
Godparents: Mich. Donohue; Birgitta Murphy
Notes: [Gabriel and Josephina in one entry]
Baptised by: O. M. Raymond
Register: Baptisms 1891 - 1896, Page 65
Source: Original Parish Register

Baptism: 24 Mar 1895 St Mary Magdalene, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Josephina Hogan - filia Jacobi Hogan & Margaretae (formerly O'Donnell)
Born: 8 Mar 1895
Godparents: Joannes Murphy; Maria Lally
Notes: [Gabriel and Josephina in one entry]
Baptised by: O. M. Raymond
Register: Baptisms 1891 - 1896, Page 65
Source: Original Parish Register

Marriage: 28 Mar 1911 St Mary of the Assumption, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Petrum Melia -
Helenam Hogan -
Groom's Parents: Patricii Melia & Brigidae Melia
Bride's Parents: Jacobi Hogan & Margariae Hogan
Witness: Jacobo Donoghue; Maria Melia
Married by: Josephus Butler
Register: Marriages 1905 - 1935, Page 59
Source: Original Parish Register

Burial: 1 Apr 1895 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Gabriel Hogan -
Age: 12 days
Abode: Padiham Road
Grave: A15582
Notes: Buried in a Public Grave
Gender: M
Register: Burials 1895 - 1899, Page 16, Entry 45907
Source: Original Registers Book 7

Burial: 11 Jul 1918 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Josephine Hogan -
Age: 23yrs
Abode: 43 Todmorden Road
Grave: A17976
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1914 - 1920, Page 227, Entry 85374
Source: Original Registers Book 11

Baptism: 24 Feb 1884 St Mary of the Assumption, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Evelyn Coates - filia Jacobi Coates & Elizabethae (formerly Smith)
Born: 31 Jan 1884
Godparents: Georgius Smith; Maria Slater
Baptised by: J. Morrissey
Register: Baptisms 1881 - 1892, Page 149, Entry 745
Source: Original Parish Register

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16 Breck Road Blackpool, Blackpool, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
James Coates Head Married Male Licensed Victualler 66 1845 Yatherley Moor Yorks
Transcription
Elizabeth Coates Wife Married Female - 62 1849 Bradford Yorks
Transcription
Evelyn Coates Daughter Single Female - 27 1884 Burnley Lanc
Transcription
George Coates Son Single Male Architect 21 1890 Burner Lanc

sorry can't find james

London, England, Electoral Registers,

1935
14A Oxford Road, Wandsworth

James Hogan
Evelyn Hogan
Joseph Patrick Hogan
Mary Margaret Hogan
------------------------

1939

Hogan Household (2 People) 25 Pendine Avenue , Worthing M.B., Sussex,

Evelyn Hogan 31 Jan 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
George F Hogan 13 Jan? 1915 Male Incapacitated Single
--------------------------

Are you certain this is his death? So he moved back up north?

Name: James Hogan
Death Age: 91
Birth Date: 16 Oct 1882
Registration Date: Mar 1974
Registration district: Burnley
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b Page: 2046

Do you have his marriage certificate? What was his occupation

Yes that was definitely his death. Occupation footballer . used to play for Burnley. Managed aston Villa. Played in the early 1900's. Came back to Burnley to live . He married in Blackpool. Thanks all for finding the birth. That's brilliant. Apparently he was in Austria in the 1911 census!!!
thanks again. :-) :-)

Lots in the papers re his career- including his time in Austria

Burnley Express - Wednesday 27 May 1936

MOTHER OF FAMOUS FOOTBALL COACH

One of the Eldest, best known and most highly esteemed members of the congregation of St. Mary's Catholic Church, Yorkshire Street, passed away last Saturday morning in the person of Mrs. Margaret Hogan of 43. Todmorden-road. The demise of Mrs. Hogan occasioned sincere regret not only St. Mary's parish but throughout the Fulledge district, in which she had resided for nearly 30 years.

Mrs. Hogan, who was her 79th year. was a native of Ballina, Co, Mayo, and came to England about 45 years ago. She lived Nelson for some years and took active part in connection with the erection of St. Joseph's Church. Subsequently Mr. and Mrs. Hogan came to live in Burnley, and the family were associated with St. Mary Magdalene's parish for some years. Over years ago they moved Fulledge, and since that time have been closely connected with St. Mary's Church, Mrs. Hogan was devout Catholic and was held in high esteem by the congregation, who deeply regret her demise.

Mr. Hogan died about 18 years ago. There survive two sons and four daughters. One of the sons Mr, James Hogan, the well-known Continental football coach. He is at present in Austria. The youngest daughter is Miss Kathleen Hogan, who is a member the teaching staff of St. Mary's Schools. The funeral will take place today and the interment at Burnley Cemetery, will be preceded Requiem Mass at St, Mary's Church.
--------------------------

Photo of him in Birmingham Mail 1939 & Evening Despatch 1940 too.
He apparently spoke 5 languages.

thanks for that. great info. appreciated.
Shirley :-) :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hogan

Shirley...Check this site out ...part of the Bundeslliga...(German Football site)..really interesting story part 1-4 and lovely Photo of JH

http://bundesligafanatic.com/jimmy-hogans-dramatic-escape-from-germany-part-4/

Shirley...These are the Hogan Burials and James is buried next grave with the Melia's.....


Grave: A17975 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancs.
Interments:

Name Age Abode Gender Source Register Date buried
1 Peter Melia 68yrs 6 Helena Street M Book 16 #123375 9 Aug 1950
2 Ellen Melia 73yrs 6 Helena Street F Book 16 #123405 22 Aug 1950
3 James Hogan 91yrs Brunshaw Ave. M Book 17 #139396 4 Feb 1974 ****
4 Margaret Melia F Book 18 #145397 26 Aug 1992






Grave: A17976 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancs.
Interments:

Name Age Abode Gender Source Register Date buried
1 James Hogan 66yrs 43 Todmorden Road M Book 11 #85266 24 Jun 1918
2 Josephine Hogan 23yrs 43 Todmorden Road F Book 11 #85374 11 Jul 1918
3 Maurice Melton 2mnths Bank Hall Hospital M Book 12 #88524 3 Nov 1920 ***
4 Margaret Hogan 78yrs 43 Todmorden Rd. F Book 14 #108020 27 May 1936
5 Kathleen Hogan 91yrs 43 Anne Close F Book 18 #142763 9 Nov 1983

Do you know who the wee baby is....??

EDIT......


Births Sep 1920

Melton Maurice mmn Hogan. Glanford B. 7a 1329 Lincolnshire Reg.District.

Marriages Reg .Sept 1919

HOGAN Annie Melton Burnley 8e 646
Melton Bertram J Hogan Burnley 8e 646

2 other children born ..Kathleen M. Reg. Burnley March 1922 and Anthony Reg Sept 1924.

Address for BJM 1919 given as 43 Todmorden Rd.sames as Mgts.Obit.

Bertram James Melton

United Kingdom, World War I Service Records






Name Bertram James Melton
Event Type Military Service
Event Year 1919
Residence Place Burnley, Lancashire, England
Age 27
Military Company/Regiment Royal Horse & Field Artillery
Military Regiment 198860
Military Battalion D/315th Brigade
Birth Year (Estimated) 1892

thankyou very much for all your help..much appreciated.
:-)
shirley :-)

Hi again
Is it possible to find Jimmy in knotty Ash in Liverpool in 1919 onwards? To about 1925.? Not sure of address and think it will be difficult to go to knotty Ash and look through whole of electoral registers. Can he be found on here?
Thanks again :-)

No, he probably can't I'm afraid

Historical ER's are mostly only in the local library, and searchable ONLY by address

Also, as his wife would have been unlikely to be eligible to vote, there would be no way of verifying that any man of that name was the one you are interested in

EDITED

There are some Liverpool ER's for the period on Ancestry. You could take out a free trial and plough through them

???????????

Name: James Hogan
Residence Year: 1939-1940
Street address: Queens Drive 634
Residence Place: Lancashire, England

Name: Evelyn Hogan
Residence Year: 1939-1940
Street address: Queens Drive 634
Residence Place: Lancashire, England

Liverpool, Fairfield, Old Swan Ward

Thankyou for that. I Ll try your suggestion of looking through ancestry. Lancashire libraries have a subscription but only a limited one. Thankyou :-)