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Looking for any information about Phyliss Marjorie Watson born Hendon Middlesex in m1898,Married in 1925 to Frank smith.I was born in Hendon as well in 1936 put up for adoption 3 days later,Trying to trace my true linage and even hope to see a photo of my real parents,Who have now passed over for the last 40 years I have got to the 1800 s but have nothing on frank Smith my father,Mothers side of the family were from the Manchester area my siblings were born there and me in Hendon.i am 81 now divorced have three sons and their families but hardly see them as they all live a distance from me, Anyone out there can help,Cheers Bry and Freda.
PS, I was born Yvonne Cecelia Smith

You appear to have been born in 1935 not 1936 ?


Births Jun 1935 (>99%)
Smith Yvonne C Watson Hendon 3a 895

Do you know the names of any of your siblings please and when and where they were born?

Were any of them older than you ?

Dea x

Well if you get their marriage cert it will give his age and fathers name .if known

They married in Berkshire

Marriages Jun 1925
Smith Frank Watson Reading 2c 884
Watson Phylis M Smith Reading 2c 884

Record set Berkshire Marriages Index
First name(s) Phyllis Marjorie
Last name Watson
Birth year 1903
Marriage year 1925
Spouse's first name(s) Frank
Spouse's last name Smith
County Berkshire
Country England
Place Reading
Father's first name(s) Rhoda
Father's last name Watson
Age 22
Marital status Spinster
Marriage date 14 May 1925
Church St Mary (The Minster)
Spouse's age 28
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Spouse's occupation Labourer
Licence or banns [by Banns]
Spouse's father's first name(s) George
Spouse's father's last name SMITH
Spouse's father's occupation Gardener
Witnesses George SMITH; Albert William SMITH
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
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This appears to be the family on 1911 - she is down as 'Marjorie Phyliss, although this is badly mistranscribed:


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ashmount West Heath Road Hampstead, Hampstead, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Charles Henry Watson Head Married Male Retired Provision Merchant 48 1863 Warwickshire Walsgrave
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Marie Watson Wife Married Female - 48 1863 Warwickshire Birmingham
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Marion Dorothy Watson Daughter Single Female - 21 1890 Lacanshire Manchester
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**Mayslie Phylles Watson Daughter Single Female - 12 1899 Hludon Middlesex
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Margaret Dulhesne Governess Single Female Resident Governess 32 1879 Cambridgeshire Castle Camps
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Edith Elizabeth Conubgshy Servant Single Female Parlour Maid 29 1882 Surrey Sydenham
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Emily Stammers Servant Single Female Housemaid 38 1873 Suffolk Ipswich
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Mary Gough Servant Single Female Between Maid 25 1886 Norcestershire Whitbourne
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Mary Edwards Servant Single Female Cook 28 1883 Wiltshire Beancre

Dea x

EDIT: OOpppps ! - In view of Austin's post above, this cannot be the correct family as the marriage shows her father's name as 'Rhoda' ?????

Dea x

Wondering if Rhoda is her Mother? Hard to know without seeing the original. (Transcription on FMP).

Perhaps?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Greatham Bridge Pulborough Sussex, Greatham, Sussex, England

Charles Robert Watson Head Married Male Shepherd 35 1876 Wigtoft Lincolnshire
Rhoda Watson Wife Married Female - 35 1876 Deeping St James Lincolnshire
George Benjamin Watson Son Single Male Shepherd 15 1896 Deeping St James Lincolnshire
Elizabeth May Watson Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Fletching Sussex
Phyllis Marjorie Watson Daughter - Female School 5 1906 Cranleigh Surrey
Evelyn Watson Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Greatham Sussex
James Robert Watson Son - Male - 0 1911 Greatham Sussex
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National School Admission Registers
First name(s) Phyllis Marjorie
Last name Watson
Birth year 1906
Birth date 18 Apr 1906
Event year 1912
School name Sutton Public Elementary School
Town Sutton
County Sussex
Parent name(s) Charles Robert
Book type Admissions

She appears to have been born in 1897

Births Mar 1897
Watson Phyllis M Staines 3a 2a

Edit strange though it's an added on record on freebmd that doesn't show on the GRO site

Don't think that's the correct birth.

Baptism:

Name: Phyllis Marjorie Watson
Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1906
Baptism Place: Cranleigh, St Nicolas, Surrey, England
Father: Charles Robert Watson
Mother: Rhoda Watson

This birth more likely??:

WATSON, PHYLLIS MAJURA mmn:CROWSON
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in HAMBLEDON Volume 02A Page 180

Lincolnshire Marriages Transcription

name(s) Charles Robert Watson
Sex Male
Age 22
Birth year 1877
Residence Sufleet
Marriage date 16 May 1899
Marriage place Deeping St James Church St James
Spouse's name(s) Rhoda Crowson
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence Deeping S James
County Lincolnshire
Father's name(s) John Watson
Spouse's father's name(s) Benjamin Crowson
Page 146

Looking at the name of Frank's father and the witness Albert William, this look likely to be Frank in 1911:

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
188 Desborough Road, Eastleigh, Hampshire, England

George Smith Head Married Male Engine Driver Gas Engine 43 1868 Berkshire Tilehurst
Annie Smith Wife Married Female - 45 1866 Wiltshire Ramsbury
Edward Smith Son Single Male Fishmongers Errand Boy 16 1895 Berkshire Sunningdale
Frank Smith Son - Male Cycle Makers Errand Boy 14 1897 Berkshire Sunningdale
Harriet Annie Smith Daughter - Female School 11 1900 Middlsex Feltham
Earnest Smith Son - Male School 10 1901 Middlsex Feltham
Albert William Smith Son - Male School 5 1906 Berkshire Cookham
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Mother's maiden name Gibbs:

Marriage:
name(s) George Smith
Age 23
Birth year 1867
Marital status B
Occupation Labourer
Residence Canningdale Berks
Marriage year 1890
Marriage date 03 May 1890
Place Ramsbury
County Wiltshire
By licence or by banns B
Spouse's name(s) Annie Gibbs
Spouse's age 24
Spouse's birth year 1866
Spouse's marital status S
Spouse's residence Ramsbury
Spouse's occupation Domestic Servant
Father's name George Smith
Father's occupation Labourer
Spouse's father's name Walter Gibbs
Spouse's father's occupation Carpenter
Witness 1 Alfred Brown
Witness 2 Edith Mary Gibbs
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Sister Harriet also married in Reading, Berkshire 1918 to Robert Hozack

SMITH, ALBERT WILLIAM GIBBS
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in MAIDENHEAD Volume 02C Page 406


SMITH, FRANK GIBBS
GRO Reference: 1897 J Quarter in WINDSOR Volume 02C Page 418

Was there a divorce and he remarried??
1939 reg


Smith Household (4 People)
Mid Sutton Sutton Lane , Eton R.D., Buckinghamshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Frank Smith 29 Apr 1897 Aircraft Inspection Department
Patricia (Patrick) Barker (Smith) 13 Sep 1901 Unpaid Domestic
Charles Dickens 06 Jun 1886 Aircraft Clerk
John (John Walter) Wilson 21 Apr 1890 Aircraft & Mechanic
Ref: RG101/2144A/012/42 Letter Code: DWII
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Have I misread the original post? Was it your birth siblings that were born in Manchester?

Is this a coincidence- the year of his first marriage doesn't quite match, but he is around the right age:

Derby Daily Telegraph - Tuesday 23 February 1943

SIX WEEKS' GAOL FOR BIGAMY Frank Smith (45), a machine-hand, of Swainsley-court, Milford, was sentenced to six weeks hard labour by Mr. Justice Lewis at Derbyshire Assizes to-day for bigamy.
Smith was committed for trial from Chesterfield County Police Court on December 15 charged with marrying Mary Alice Mitchell, his wife, Phyllis Marjorie Smith, being still alive.
To-day he pleaded "Guilty.' and Mr. G. H.Myers-Ward said that Smith was married in 1928, and lived with his wife until 1933. There were two children of the marriage. He went about with the woman Mitchell for two years, when they discovered that shewas going to have a child, went through a form of marriage in September, 1936, at Bolsover.
MARRIAGE DISCUSSED
Mr. Myers-Ward said Smith did not tell Mitchell that he was married in the first instance .but to "give him due," when marriage was discussed he did inform her of this.
Mr. N. Winning, defending declared that Smith did not desert his first wife, and alleged that a letter, which was an exhibit in the case, showed clearly that she deserted him.
When it was discovered Mitchell was going to have child the question of marriage was discussed, and they went through a form of marriage as they thought to "save child's name."
Mr. Winning alleged Smith's wife had also committed bigamy, and said Smith and Mitchell were very happy together. Smith was an ex-soldier a a good worker at present on war work. Mr. Justice Lewis told Smith: You did have the moral courage to tell this woman you were married .That is the only thing in your favour.
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Good find

This could be them on the 1939 register


Smith Household (5 People)
39 Cemetery Road , Belper U.D., Derbyshire, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Mary A Smith 25 Aug 1916 Unpd Dom Duties
Frank Smith 25 Mar 1897 General Labourer
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Hannah Sheppard (Mitchell) 17 Dec 1923 Frame Leaner Textile
Ref: RG101/5886A/022/15 Letter Code:
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Looks like two children born before 1939
Details on freebmd

Delicately though if they had parted in 1933 then it's looks like he wasn't your dad

Maybe that's why you were adopted

Have you got your original birth cert

You could still be reg as Smith because that was still Phylis surname and show mmn Watson

Could she have put his name as father to save face ??

I'm wondering if Bryan and Freda have been following the wrong Phillis?

I think Phillis and Frank had two children in Berkshire in 1925 & 1926- the first named after herself born (very) shortly after the marriage, and the other named after her sister.

Wonder if this is Phyllis (2 years out from school record- but same date):

Marriages Jun 1942
Elton Frederick J T Smith Uckfield 2b 377
Smith Phyllis M Elton Uckfield 2b 377

Death:
First name(s) PHYLLIS MARJORIE
Last name ELTON
Gender Female
Birth date 18 April 1904
Death quarter 3
Death year 1987
District Crawley
Register number 987
County Sussex
Volume 18 Page 1627
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1939:

Elton (Smith) Household 8 Torbay Road , Willesden M.B., Middlesex, England
Phyllis M Elton (Smith) 18 Apr ? Female Shop Assistant (Barker) Married

There is some confusion over her date of birth- first written as 18th April 1905, then changed to 1902 (changed was listed in 1945)